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A 2024-04-18 20:43:19 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2024-04-18 15:09:26 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I think Rene's suggestion in 2010 to move ichi1 to 絨毯 makes the most sense. 絨緞 doesn't need a freq tag. |
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@@ -6 +6 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
@@ -11 +10,0 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -19,2 +18 @@
-<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
-<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri> |
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A 2024-04-18 09:11:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2024-04-17 22:04:34 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Regarding Rene's objection in the comments below, this info is found in the JMdict XML file:
>> The entries marked "ichi2" were demoted from ichi1 because they were observed to have low frequencies in the WWW and newspapers. |
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A* 2024-04-17 20:28:52 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 絨毯 │ 565,970 │ 58.4% │
│ 絨緞 │ 7,009 │ 0.7% │ - rK, demoting to ichi2
│ 絨氈 │ 753 │ 0.1% │ - [iK] to [sK]
│ じゅうたん │ 348,340 │ 36.0% │
│ ジュータン │ 28,699 │ 3.0% │
│ ジュウタン │ 17,752 │ 1.8% │ - [nokanji] to [sk]
╰─ーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯ |
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@@ -10 +10,2 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -14 +15 @@
-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -18 +19 @@
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
@@ -27 +28 @@
-<re_nokanji/>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A 2018-06-22 08:32:33 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams - see below |
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@@ -31 +30,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2018-05-13 19:24:03 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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ichi1 and ichi2 lists are not decided based on internet frequency. they come from the Ichimango goi bunruishuu and shouldn't be changed without evidence that they are wrong. |
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@@ -10 +10 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
@@ -18 +18 @@
-<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri> |
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A* 2018-05-13 14:36:11 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams
絨毯 565970
じゅうたん 348340
ジュータン 28699
ジュウタン 17752
絨緞 7009
絨氈 753 |
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adding katakana
downgrading ichi1 -> ichi2 |
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@@ -10 +10 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -18 +18 @@
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
@@ -19,0 +20,8 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ジュータン</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ジュウタン</reb>
+<re_nokanji/> |
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A 2010-07-23 07:19:52 Paul Blay <...address hidden...>
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http://ameblo.jp/milione/entry-10399299997.html
１１．寝床作り、絨氈（じゅうせん）、座ぶとんの敷き方
http://waldsteig.net/books/ryecroft.html
また横に張り出した笠木に中尊上腕の腕飾と同じ模様付き絨氈(じゅうせん)を掛けて細部. の表現まで統一し優れた出来映えを示す．
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49b0855f010004js.html
わたしは一日の仕事を終ると、大抵（たいてい）は絨氈（じゅうたん）の上にころがり、頸すじや頭を揉（も）んで
http://www.wattpad.com/57010?p=21
現場の寝台附近にあった絨氈（じゅうたん）が、直径一寸ばかりボロボロになった穴が開いていたのを認めた。 |
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'Google' provided a few more specific examples. 絨氈（じゅうたん） is more common by far - but the Japanese title of 'The Naked Jungle' is the main reason for that. 絨氈（じゅうせん） has just five hits. |
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A 2010-07-23 07:16:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5,新和英中辞典,ルミナス和英辞典 All agree on 絨毯 being first. I made it "spec1" and put iK on 絨氈. |
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@@ -4,0 +4,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>絨毯</keb>
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
+</k_ele>
@@ -9,3 +13,0 @@
-<keb>絨毯</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +14,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +19,1 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
@@ -22,0 +25,2 @@
+<gloss>rug</gloss>
+<gloss>runner</gloss> |
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A* 2010-07-23 07:07:18 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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絨毯 comes before 絨緞 in kojien, daijisen, meikyo, wikipedia and web hits. safe to swap and switch [ichi1] to the other headword? meikyo has of 絨氈: 慣用的に「▼絨▼氈」とも(「氈」はセン). since its pronunciation is actually せん i assume this can be marked [iK]? |
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A 2010-07-23 07:05:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-07-23 04:40:26 Scott
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google |
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@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>絨氈</keb> |