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叩き [spec1] ；敲き
【たたき [spec1] ；タタキ (nokanji) [spec1] 】

[n] {food, cooking}
▶ finely chopped fish or meat (sometimes seared first)
▶ mince

[n,n-suf]
▶ hitting (e.g. a drum)
▶ striking
▶ beating
▶ person who strikes something

[n-suf]
▶ bashing
▶ criticizing
▶ attacking

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2839605 日本叩き 1. Japan bashing

[n] [sl]
▶ robbery
▶ extortion

[n] [abbr] {business}
▶ springboard for discussion
▶ draft proposal
▶ tentative plan

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1836930 たたき台 2. springboard for discussion; draft proposal; tentative plan

[n] [hist]
▶ whipping (Edo-period punishment)
▶ lashing
▶ flogging

History:

22.	A 2024-03-22 03:45:23 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Please provide evidence that it's used enough in English to warrant being the leading gloss.
	Diff:	@@ -23 +22,0 @@ -<gloss>tataki</gloss>
21.	A* 2024-03-21 09:52:16
	Diff:	@@ -22,0 +23 @@ +<gloss>tataki</gloss>
20.	A 2024-03-21 05:23:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -49 +49 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1836930">たたき台</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1836930">たたき台・2</xref>
19.	A* 2024-03-21 02:27:06 Nicolas Maia
	Refs:	https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20210322-1748458/ たたきの由来は、たたき台を略した言い方です。 https://news.allabout.co.jp/articles/o/76882/ https://sogyotecho.jp/qa/agreement-draft/
	Diff:	@@ -45,0 +46,9 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1836930">たたき台</xref> +<field>&bus;</field> +<misc>&abbr;</misc> +<gloss>springboard for discussion</gloss> +<gloss>draft proposal</gloss> +<gloss>tentative plan</gloss>
18.	A 2020-08-15 02:08:10 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -35,0 +36 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2839605">日本叩き</xref> @@ -42 +42,0 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2839605">日本叩き</xref>
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17.	A 2020-08-15 01:22:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Looks OK.
16.	A* 2020-08-14 23:56:35 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
15.	A 2020-08-14 23:56:23 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijs, meikyo, gg5
	Comments:	Added a literal "hitting" sense. The whipping sense refers to a punishment used in the Edo period. As far as I'm aware, the "bashing; criticizing" sense is always a suffix. Approving and reopening.
	Diff:	@@ -27,0 +28,15 @@ +<pos>&n-suf;</pos> +<gloss>hitting (e.g. a drum)</gloss> +<gloss>striking</gloss> +<gloss>beating</gloss> +<gloss>person who strikes something</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n-suf;</pos> +<gloss>bashing</gloss> +<gloss>criticizing</gloss> +<gloss>attacking</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="2839605">日本叩き</xref> @@ -34 +49,2 @@ -<gloss>whipping</gloss> +<misc>&hist;</misc> +<gloss>whipping (Edo-period punishment)</gloss> @@ -36,7 +52 @@ -<gloss>beating</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<gloss>criticizing</gloss> -<gloss>bashing</gloss> -<gloss>flaming</gloss> +<gloss>flogging</gloss>
14.	A* 2020-08-12 03:31:30 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5, Hosking (A Dictionary of Japanese Food)
	Comments:	Refining sense 1 - Hosking has two senses.
	Diff:	@@ -23 +23,2 @@ -<gloss>mince (minced meat or fish)</gloss> +<gloss>finely chopped fish or meat (sometimes seared first)</gloss> +<gloss>mince</gloss>
13.	A* 2020-08-12 02:42:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	https://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1MDJ��
	Comments:	This entry is a bit of a mess - see the WWWJDIC display with all the restrictions, etc. I suggest we: - split out 三和土 into its own entry. It shouldn't really be merged on the basis of sense #4. Kanji Haitani commented in 2007 that it was only occasionally written 叩き - I think that's best as a comment - remove the "seared skipjack tuna" sense. It was added in 2010 without any reference. 叩き is a food preparation technique that is used on several types of fish as well as beef. It may be occasionally used as shorthand for one type of fish, but it's not in references. - remove all the restrictions from the remaining senses.
	Diff:	@@ -10,3 +9,0 @@ -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>三和土</keb> @@ -24,3 +20,0 @@ -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagk>敲き</stagk> -<stagr>タタキ</stagr> @@ -27,0 +22 @@ +<field>&food;</field> @@ -31,9 +25,0 @@ -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagk>敲き</stagk> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<xref type="see" seq="1208850">鰹</xref> -<gloss>seared skipjack tuna</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagk>敲き</stagk> @@ -47,8 +32,0 @@ -<s_inf>usu. 三和土 (gikun)</s_inf> -<gloss>hard-packed dirt (clay, gravel, etc.) floor</gloss> -<gloss>concrete floor</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagr>タタキ</stagr> -<pos>&n;</pos> @@ -60,2 +37,0 @@ -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagr>タタキ</stagr>
12.	A 2019-05-06 23:59:22 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
11.	A* 2019-05-05 13:42:56 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	literal bashing and idiomatic bashing
	Diff:	@@ -56,0 +57,7 @@ +<gloss>beating</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<stagk>叩き</stagk> +<stagr>タタキ</stagr> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>criticizing</gloss> @@ -58 +64,0 @@ -<gloss>beating</gloss>
10.	A 2012-06-15 07:07:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
9.	A* 2012-06-13 14:52:59 Marcus
	Refs:	http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/鰹のタ� %BF%E3%82%AD
	Diff:	@@ -26,0 +26,1 @@ +<stagr>タタキ</stagr>
8.	A 2012-06-13 04:00:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5
	Diff:	@@ -54,0 +54,2 @@ +<gloss>whipping</gloss> +<gloss>lashing</gloss>
7.	A* 2012-06-12 12:48:00
	Diff:	@@ -54,0 +54,1 @@ +<gloss>bashing</gloss>
6.	A* 2012-06-12 12:46:12
	Diff:	@@ -50,0 +50,7 @@ +<sense> +<stagk>叩き</stagk> +<stagr>タタキ</stagr> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>beating</gloss> +<gloss>flaming</gloss> +</sense>
5.	A 2010-09-09 13:20:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
4.	A* 2010-09-08 16:55:12 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	that works for me. the かつお entry needs its own sense though, i think
	Diff:	@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>三和土</keb> @@ -21,0 +24,2 @@ +<stagk>叩き</stagk> +<stagk>敲き</stagk> @@ -22,1 +27,0 @@ -<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -24,0 +28,6 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<stagk>叩き</stagk> +<stagk>敲き</stagk> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1208850">鰹</xref> @@ -27,0 +37,2 @@ +<stagk>叩き</stagk> +<stagk>敲き</stagk>
3.	A* 2010-09-08 06:11:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Thinking about this, I suspect the simplest thing is to put 三和土 back and redo the restrictions. ルミナス和英辞典 is my only ref that supports 叩き for sense 3.
2.	A* 2010-09-04 23:16:12 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	it's common enough that it needs to have a headword. perhaps a split, with x-refs between them?
1.	A* 2010-09-04 14:28:40 Brandon Kentel
	Refs:	daijr
	Comments:	removed the restrictions as per most other uncommon or severely restricted kanji renderings getting a note only.
	Diff:	@@ -7,3 +7,0 @@ -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>三和土</keb> @@ -24,2 +21,0 @@ -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagk>敲き</stagk> @@ -29,0 +24,1 @@ +<gloss>seared skipjack tuna</gloss> @@ -31,2 +27,0 @@ -<stagk>叩き</stagk> -<stagk>敲き</stagk>

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