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A 2024-03-06 11:16:40 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. I'll split it off. |
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-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>しゅう</reb>
-<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2024-03-04 22:18:45 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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sankoku:〔文〕主人。主君。しゅ。「ー思い」
smk:「主人・主君」の意の口頭語形。 |
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Sorry, I didn't realise it was in the smaller kokugos. I don't think we need to mark it as rare.
Since it only applies to sense 1, I think it should be a separate entry. Oddly, smk's definition seems to contradict sankoku's〔文〕tag. No tag in meikyo. |
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A* 2024-03-04 07:06:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Maybe [rk] for しゅう. It's not in any JEs and Daijisen says 「しゅ」の音変化. |
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+<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2024-03-04 06:16:26 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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しゅう is in all the kokugos (sankoku, meikyo, smk, iwakoku, daijr, etc.) |
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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>しゅう</reb> |
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A 2024-03-04 06:06:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2024-03-03 13:08:12 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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gg5, daij, meikyo |
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I don't think we need to mark this as adj-t when none of the kokugos do and 主たる is a separate word/entry.
Added sense.
I think we can drop しゅう. |
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-<r_ele>
-<reb>しゅう</reb>
-<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
-</r_ele>
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+<gloss>(one's) employer</gloss>
+<gloss>(one's) lord</gloss>
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-<stagr>しゅ</stagr>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>leader (of a country, group, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>head</gloss>
+<gloss>chief</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
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-<stagr>しゅ</stagr>
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-<pos>&adj-t;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1324970">主たる</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1324980">主として</xref>
-<gloss>the main thing</gloss>
-<gloss>the majority</gloss>
-<gloss>the primary concern</gloss>
+<gloss>main thing</gloss>
+<gloss>chief part</gloss>
+<gloss>first consideration</gloss>
+<gloss>primary object</gloss>
+<gloss>principal aim</gloss> |
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A 2024-03-01 19:16:15 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Indeed. |
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A* 2024-03-01 05:51:43 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/主たる#Japanese
Fossilization of 主 (shu) + たる (taru, prenominal of the archaic copular たり (tari)).
This person below seems likely to be citing us as an authority (using "adj-pn"). Note: we now have both 最 and 眇 as [adj-t].
http://blastitwonner.blogspot.com/2009/02/list-of-taru-adjectives.html
E. ONE KANJI PRE-NOUN ADJECTIVALS (technically not -taru 形容動詞 adjectives, but I'm putting them here for reference b/c they are 連体詞 adjectives that end in -taru)
眇たる 【びょうたる】 (adj-pn) small; minute; tiny; little; insignificant
最たる 【さいたる】 (adj-pn) prime; conspicuous
主たる 【しゅたる】 (adj-pn) main; principal; major |
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I can't find any evidence that the しゅ reading is [adj-no] for [3]. Heavy の usage in the ngrams seems to derive from [2]. It also feels like [adj-t] is self-evident unless I'm missing something. The kokugos give 主たる as it's own entry (probably a reflection of how common it is), but if we're going to have an entry for 主 alone, [adj-t] seems correct.
Sankoku's defn of 主たる is おもな. (i.e. not しゅの). One of our [adj-no] tests is "do the kokugos use の as an example?" While not definitive, sankoku doesn't (it uses 主となる, and xref's 主たるand 主として）. daijs has no の examples(uses —とした and —になって). In eijiro's extensive examples for 主の, 主 is always a suffix for something else (usually as ぬし, like 買い主の or 株主の), or else "the Lord's" (sense[2]). Extensive ngrams seem just as likely to be this kind of usage. |
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-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-t;</pos> |
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A 2021-09-29 11:41:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2021-09-29 08:26:31 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I think 主の would only be possessive for senses 1 & 2 |
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-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
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-<pos>&adj-no;</pos> |
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A 2020-02-04 04:59:59 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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It should. Otherwise it's a waste having it. |
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A* 2020-02-01 17:34:25 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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presumably the Christian tag will suffice? |
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-<gloss>Lord (Christian ref. to Jesus or God)</gloss>
+<field>&Christn;</field>
+<gloss>Lord</gloss> |