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| 1. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to pick up
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| 2. |
[v1,vt]
《sometimes written as 採り上げる》 ▶ to adopt (a proposal) ▶ to take up (a topic) ▶ to accept ▶ to listen to |
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| 3. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to take issue with ▶ to make a problem of ▶ to bring up (as a point of criticism) |
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| 4. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to report (news) ▶ to cover ▶ to feature |
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| 5. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to take away ▶ to confiscate ▶ to deprive (someone) of ▶ to revoke ▶ to disqualify ▶ to cancel |
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| 6. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to deliver (a baby) |
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| 7. |
[v1,vt]
▶ to collect (taxes) |
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| 18. | A 2024-02-10 02:16:08 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | Removing [ichi1] from the hidden 取上げる form. |
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| Diff: | @@ -21 +20,0 @@ -<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri> |
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| 17. | A 2024-02-10 00:29:29 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | I think this is OK. I've reindexed the sentences to match. |
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| 16. | A* 2024-02-09 02:46:59 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
| Refs: | I think 7 senses is fine, but I think senses 02 and 03 proposed by penname01 are overlapping a bit. I don't think the glosses for sense 03 ("to take up (a topic, etc.); to deal with; to treat") correctly capture the meaning of the corresponding sense in the kokugos.
Meikyo 3e:
③［取］特に取り立てて問題にする。「欠陥商品を━・げて糾弾する」「弱点を━・げて非難する」
Shinsen 10e:
⑥特別に問題とする。「━ほどのものでない」
Sankoku 8e:
④問題と〈する／してあつかう〉。「大きく━・━必要のない問題」
I am proposing that we gloss this sense with something like "to take issue with; to make a problem of; to bring up (as a point of criticism)"
Meikyo 2e has the 採 form for this sense, but the third edition dropped it. I think we can make 採り上げる a hidden form and add a note to sense 02, which is where most refs put it. I wouldn't object to splitting it into a separate entry either. |
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| Diff: | @@ -12 +12 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -42 +41,0 @@ -<stagk>取り上げる</stagk> @@ -50,2 +49,3 @@ -<s_inf>esp. 採り上げる</s_inf> -<gloss>to adopt (e.g. a proposal)</gloss> +<s_inf>sometimes written as 採り上げる</s_inf> +<gloss>to adopt (a proposal)</gloss> +<gloss>to take up (a topic)</gloss> @@ -54 +53,0 @@ -<gloss>to take up (a complaint, etc.)</gloss> @@ -59,4 +58,3 @@ -<s_inf>esp. 取り上げる</s_inf> -<gloss>to take up (a topic, etc.)</gloss> -<gloss>to deal with</gloss> -<gloss>to treat</gloss> +<gloss>to take issue with</gloss> +<gloss>to make a problem of</gloss> +<gloss>to bring up (as a point of criticism)</gloss> @@ -65 +62,0 @@ -<stagk>取り上げる</stagk> @@ -73 +69,0 @@ -<stagk>取り上げる</stagk> @@ -84 +79,0 @@ -<stagk>取り上げる</stagk> @@ -90 +84,0 @@ -<stagk>取り上げる</stagk> |
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| 15. | A* 2024-02-08 15:08:30 penname01 | |
| Comments: | this entry previously had 5 senses 採り上げる is definitely not [sK] as it's present in sankoku, meikyo, shinkoku, obunsha sankoku does have a separate entry for 採り上げる, so maybe we could follow their lead and split it (and cross-reference it here) i think that having "to adopt (e.g. a proposal)" and "to report (news)" in the same sense is confusing, they're pretty different things it's true that the (current) 3 and 4 senses can be merged as they're basically the same thing which would result in 6 senses |
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| 14. | A* 2024-02-08 01:05:28 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | Of all the references I checked (JES & Kokugos) only Meikyo mentioned 採り上げる. GG5 has sense 2 for 取り上げる so that "esp." looks rather doubtful. Also, the JEs have 4 senses which I think works well. I think the 7 senses is overdoing it. I'd be OK with making 採り上げる [sK], goin back to 4 senses, and stripping out all the notes and restrictions. |
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