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jmdict 2027080 Active (id: 2291429)
べきでは無い [sK] 可きではない [sK]
べきではない [spec1]
1. [exp,adj-i] [uk]
▶ should not
▶ must not

Conjugations


History:
12. A 2024-02-08 22:15:23  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
11. A* 2024-02-08 20:41:04  Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
〈可/べ〉きでは〈無/な〉い

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ べきでは無い │    18,958 │  1.6% │ - add, sK
│ 可きではない │       210 │  0.0% │ - add, sK
│ 可きでは無い │        33 │  0.0% │
│ べきではない │ 1,197,884 │ 98.4% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────────┼───────┤
│ べきでは無く │       248 │  0.3% │
│ 可きでは無く │         0 │  0.0% │
│ 可きではなく │         0 │  0.0% │
│ べきではなく │    74,530 │ 99.7% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯
  Comments:
I didn't read the long discussion in this entry but I don't think we have a problem with these sorts of kanji forms anymore.
  Diff:
@@ -3,0 +4,8 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>べきでは無い</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>可きではない</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -9,0 +18,2 @@
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
10. A 2020-04-11 09:27:15  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I've responded to Rob directly.
9. A* 2020-04-04 17:04:55  Rob Harwood <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Thanks for the explanations on your decision. And sorry for the long reply. I was just worried that if I didn't go into the whole thought process, it might seem like I was arguing for a very nit-picky thing, when really for me it's much more of a big-picture kind of question.

With that in mind, I notice that no one has yet responded to the point I made about JMDICT being the data source for many Japanese language learning tools, and even if data may not reflect popularity (as in the example of "(wa) katakana at top"), it may still be worthwhile for the sake of documenting the language itself.

All that said, I respect and accept your decision on this particular entry; but I'm still interested in hearing your thoughts/opinions about this more 'philosophical' point about how JMDICT should (or should not) attempt to support language learners, rather than just reflect current-day usage.

Is such discussion appropriate in these comments or is there another/better way I can ask about this kind of thing?

Jim, I'll look for your email address and try to email you. Thanks for the offer. [D'oh! I see it now at the top of the confirmation page.]
8. A 2020-04-03 06:24:04  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Thanks, Marcus. I think that covers it, and I'll close this off now. I don't mind having the kanji form shown on the basic forms (GG5 has 可き in the べき entry), but I do think it is inappropriate to have them in the virtually-always-kana expressions.
Re この/此の/etc. I see Daijirin and GG5 have the 此の, but the other JEs don't.
Marcus: I've added a GitHub issue for [rare]
Rob: if you want to find out more about the n-grams, email me. They are not the counts you get from Google searches, which are almost useless.
  Diff:
@@ -4,3 +3,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>可きではない</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -13 +9,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
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