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素人 [ichi1,news1,nf09]
【しろうと [ichi1,news1,nf09] ；しろと [ok] ；しらびと [ok] 】

[n]
▶ amateur
▶ layman
▶ ordinary person
▶ novice

Cross references:
	⇔ ant: 1263430 玄人 1. expert; professional; master; connoisseur
	⇐ see: 2759300 藤四郎【とうしろ】 1. amateur; novice; layman
	⇐ see: 1475250 白人【はくじん】 2. beginner; amateur

[n]
▶ respectable woman (i.e. not a prostitute, hostess, geisha)

Cross references:
	⇔ see: 1263430 玄人 2. woman in the nightlife business; demimondaine; geisha and prostitutes

[n] [arch] Dialect: kyb
▶ unlicensed prostitute

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1768060 私娼 1. unlicensed prostitute
	⇐ see: 1475250 白人【はくじん】 3. unlicensed prostitute

History:

14.	A 2024-01-31 23:04:27 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
13.	A* 2024-01-31 22:13:48 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I don't think it's needed. Is it really helpful to know that the the word comes from しろひと/白人? Only koj has しらひと. I think it can be dropped.
	Diff:	@@ -24,4 +23,0 @@ -<r_ele> -<reb>しらひと</reb> -<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> -</r_ele> @@ -38 +34 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1263430">玄人・くろうと・2</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1263430">玄人・2</xref>
12.	A* 2024-01-29 06:28:23 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijs 素人《「しろひと（白人）」の音変化》 I can find some "recent" examples of 白人/しろうと (ruby) on google books and ndl, e.g. 1901, 1904 nikk 白人　素人 entry: ② (「白人(しろうと)」の音読み) (イ) 物事に熟達していない人。また、それを職業・専門にしていない人。 nikk's 玄人 entry has a 1711 example where 素人 is spelled 白人 wiktionary has the kanji as "稀" 和漢雅俗いろは辭典 (1901) lists it
	Comments:	白人 is mostly historical but I think it should stay, it helps explain the oigin and reading.
	Diff:	@@ -30 +30 @@ -<xref type="ant" seq="1263430">玄人・くろうと・1</xref> +<xref type="ant" seq="1263430">玄人・1</xref>
11.	A 2024-01-29 01:46:29 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK
10.	A* 2024-01-29 01:23:15 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	As far as the readings go, I only see an overlap between 素人 and 白人 in the kokugos (koj & nikk only) for しらひと. However, the definitions for しらひと【白人】 and しらひと【素人】 are not the same in those dictionaries. The former ("white skinned person; person with vitiligo; albino") is not in this entry.
	Comments:	Doesn't look like 白人 belongs here.
	Diff:	@@ -9,4 +8,0 @@ -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>白人</keb> -<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
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9.	A 2019-03-01 06:10:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Koj, Daijr
	Comments:	Messy, but the kokugos agree that it's valid.
8.	A* 2019-02-28 21:14:37
	Refs:	精選版日本国語大辞典
	Diff:	@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>白人</keb> +<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> @@ -17,0 +22 @@ +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> @@ -20,0 +26,5 @@ +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>しらひと</reb> +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> @@ -24 +33,0 @@ -<pos>&adj-no;</pos> @@ -34 +43 @@ -<gloss>respectable woman (not a prostitute, hostess, geisha, etc.)</gloss> +<gloss>respectable woman (i.e. not a prostitute, hostess, geisha)</gloss>
7.	A 2013-02-16 04:37:35 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
6.	A* 2013-02-16 03:42:37 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	koj, daij, gg5
	Comments:	sense 2 was just part of sense 1.
	Diff:	@@ -16,0 +16,6 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>しろと</reb> +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>しらびと</reb> +</r_ele> @@ -21,0 +27,2 @@ +<gloss>layman</gloss> +<gloss>ordinary person</gloss> @@ -22,1 +30,0 @@ -<gloss>layman</gloss> @@ -26,3 +33,2 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1165850">一般人</xref> -<gloss>non-celebrity</gloss> -<gloss>member of the general public</gloss> +<xref type="see" seq="1263430">玄人・くろうと・2</xref> +<gloss>respectable woman (not a prostitute, hostess, geisha, etc.)</gloss>
5.	A 2013-01-17 00:18:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK.
	Diff:	@@ -19,0 +19,1 @@ +<xref type="ant" seq="1263430">玄人・くろうと・1</xref>
4.	A* 2013-01-15 16:42:01 Francis
	Refs:	See below.
	Comments:	I have not changed the above, but I am suggesting a cross-link with the following [which is described as being the "ant" to the above], i.e., if the flow goes one way, then the flow goes both ways:- 玄人(P); 黒人【くろうと(P); くろと】 (n,adj-no) (1) (ant: 素人・しろうと .1) expert; professional; master; (2) woman in the nightlife business; demimondaine; geisha and prostitutes; (P)
3.	A 2012-04-20 23:04:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
2.	A* 2012-04-20 11:08:41 Marcus
	Refs:	daijs
	Diff:	@@ -30,0 +30,7 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1768060">私娼</xref> +<misc>&arch;</misc> +<dial>&kyb;</dial> +<gloss>unlicensed prostitute</gloss> +</sense>
1.	A* 2012-04-20 10:58:18 Marcus
	Refs:	daijs
	Diff:	@@ -21,0 +21,8 @@ +<gloss>layman</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1165850">一般人</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1165850">一般人</xref> +<gloss>non-celebrity</gloss> +<gloss>member of the general public</gloss>

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