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A 2024-01-14 02:49:50 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2024-01-13 23:36:11 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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gg5, daij
prog: だれが計画をぶち壊したのか Who wrecked [ruined] our plans? |
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I think "wreck" works better for sense 2. |
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@@ -26,3 +26,3 @@
-<gloss>to crush</gloss>
-<gloss>to break by striking</gloss>
-<gloss>to wreck</gloss>
+<gloss>to break (by striking)</gloss>
+<gloss>to smash</gloss>
+<gloss>to knock down</gloss>
@@ -32,0 +33 @@
+<gloss>to ruin (a plan, atmosphere, etc.)</gloss>
@@ -34 +35 @@
-<gloss>to ruin</gloss>
+<gloss>to wreck</gloss> |
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A 2023-11-08 20:14:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-11-08 14:59:22 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Since 打ち is far more likely to be read うち, I think the 打ち search forms should direct to that entry instead of this one. |
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@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -16,8 +16,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>打ちこわす</keb>
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>打壊す</keb> |
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A* 2023-11-08 07:35:12 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopen. |
(show/hide 18 older log entries)
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A 2023-11-08 07:34:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, setting up that split. I'll drop うちこわす from here, approve and reopen it in case there's further discussion. AFAICT うちこわす really only covers sense 1. |
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@@ -28,5 +27,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>うちこわす</reb>
-<re_restr>打ち壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr> |
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A* 2023-11-06 04:22:22 Marcus Richert
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I think it should be spkit out not mainly because the messiness but from a desire for consistency across around 40 entries that can be written as 打ち. In the majority of our entries, we don't merge うち and ぶち, and I don't think we should either - it seems to be exceedinly rare for 打ち to actually be read ぶち. The two words are similar in meaning but not identical. We keep ぶつ separate from うつ as well. |
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A* 2023-11-06 02:07:04 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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〈打(ち)/うち/ぶち/ウチ/ブチ〉〈壊/毀/こわ〉す
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ ぶち壊す │ 37,267 │ 60.4% │
│ 打ち壊す │ 6,255 │ 10.1% │
│ ブチ壊す │ 5,876 │ 9.5% │
│ 打ちこわす │ 323 │ 0.5% │
│ 打壊す │ 76 │ 0.1% │
│ うち壊す │ 67 │ 0.1% │ - not worth adding
│ 打ち毀す │ 37 │ 0.1% │
│ 打毀す │ 24 │ 0.0% │ - not worth adding
│ ぶちこわす │ 11,546 │ 18.7% │
│ うちこわす │ 144 │ 0.2% │ - re-adding
│ ブチこわす │ 114 │ 0.2% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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I don't think うちこわす should be [sk]. It's in the kokugos and JEs.
IMO, this entry doesn't seem messy enough to warrant a split. |
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@@ -9 +8,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -28,0 +28,5 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>うちこわす</reb>
+<re_restr>打ち壊す</re_restr>
+<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr> |
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A* 2023-10-22 12:13:33
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I'm quite sure 打ち壊す is the most common way to spell うちこわす
so it's not rare at all |
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A* 2023-10-22 01:47:49 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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うち壊す 67
ウチ壊す 0
うちこわす 144
GG5 and other JEs have うちこわす entries. |
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Marcus wrote: I suggestsplitting out うちこわす.
Given how relatively rare it is, perhaps it could go back here as an sK reading? |
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A 2023-10-22 01:41:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-10-15 14:24:29 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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daijr/s, koj have 打ち毀す |
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@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>打ち毀す</keb>
@@ -21,4 +24,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>打ち毀す</keb> |
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A* 2023-10-15 11:48:05 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I suggestsplitting out うちこわす |
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A 2023-10-15 11:47:05 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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ぶち壊す 37267 60.7%
打ち壊す 6255 10.2% but also read うちこわす
ブチ壊す 5876 9.6%
打ちこわす 323 0.5%
打壊す 76 0.1%
打ち毀す 37 0.1%
ぶちこわす 11546 18.8% |
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@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11,0 +13 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +17 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +21 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -20,0 +25 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -24,15 +28,0 @@
-<re_restr>ぶち壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打ち壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>うちこわす</reb>
-<re_restr>打ち壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打ちこわす</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打壊す</re_restr>
-<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ブチこわす</reb>
-<re_restr>ブチ壊す</re_restr> |
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A 2013-07-15 19:37:48 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2013-07-09 23:03:30 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopening. I should have mentioned that JMdict also has a separate entry for ぶっ壊す. |
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A 2013-07-09 22:53:08 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Approving for an xref, then reopening. |
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A* 2013-07-09 22:50:10 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5, ルミナス, Unidic, n-grams |
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Unidic suggests putting ぶっ壊す here too. Gg5 has it in its own entry, and that conforms with the 2/3 rule.
Since ぶち壊す gets the highest count, I propose ぶちこわす goes first in the readings. |
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@@ -4,0 +4,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ぶち壊す</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>打ち壊す</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,1 +14,1 @@
-<keb>打ち壊す</keb>
+<keb>打ちこわす</keb>
@@ -16,3 +22,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>ぶち壊す</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -20,5 +23,2 @@
-<reb>ブチこわす</reb>
-<re_restr>ブチ壊す</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>うちこわす</reb>
+<reb>ぶちこわす</reb>
+<re_restr>ぶち壊す</re_restr>
@@ -30,1 +30,1 @@
-<reb>ぶちこわす</reb>
+<reb>うちこわす</reb>
@@ -32,0 +32,1 @@
+<re_restr>打ちこわす</re_restr>
@@ -34,1 +35,4 @@
-<re_restr>ぶち壊す</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ブチこわす</reb>
+<re_restr>ブチ壊す</re_restr>
@@ -40,1 +44,0 @@
-<gloss>to spoil</gloss>
@@ -45,0 +48,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to spoil</gloss>
+<gloss>to ruin</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A 2011-03-02 07:02:05 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2011-03-02 06:13:42 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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IPADIC |
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@@ -15,0 +15,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ぶち壊す</keb>
@@ -31,0 +34,1 @@
+<re_restr>ぶち壊す</re_restr> |
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A 2010-12-23 20:43:25 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-12-23 18:04:28 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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first reading should probably align with first headword if the argument is that
each is most common |
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@@ -17,0 +17,4 @@
+<reb>ブチこわす</reb>
+<re_restr>ブチ壊す</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -28,4 +32,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ブチこわす</reb>
-<re_restr>ブチ壊す</re_restr>
-</r_ele> |
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A* 2010-12-23 10:10:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Koj, Daij |
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@@ -10,0 +10,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>打壊す</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>打ち毀す</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +19,2 @@
+<re_restr>打壊す</re_restr>
+<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr>
@@ -17,0 +25,2 @@
+<re_restr>打壊す</re_restr>
+<re_restr>打ち毀す</re_restr> |