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所 [ichi1] ；処；處 [sK]
【ところ [ichi1] ；とこ (所) 】

[n,adv,suf]
《also pronounced どころ when a suffix》
▶ place
▶ spot
▶ scene
▶ site

Cross references:
	⇐ see: 2841295 ところから 1. from the place (where)

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ address

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ district
▶ area
▶ locality

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ one's house

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ point
▶ aspect
▶ side
▶ facet

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2158990 いいとこ 1. good thing; strong point

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ passage (in text)
▶ part

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ space
▶ room

[n,suf] [uk]
▶ thing
▶ matter

[n] [uk]
《after the plain past form of a verb》
▶ whereupon
▶ as a result

10.

[n] [uk]
《after present form of a verb》
▶ about to
▶ on the verge of

11.

[n] [uk]
《after past form of a verb》
▶ was just doing
▶ was in the process of doing
▶ have just done
▶ just finished doing

12.

[n] [uk]
《after a quantity + が》
▶ approximately
▶ around
▶ about

History:

26.	A 2024-01-03 20:41:29 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I think the quantity is always followed by が. Moving this sense to the bottom. It's not as common as senses 9-11.
	Diff:	@@ -13 +13 @@ -<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -87,8 +86,0 @@ -<s_inf>following a quantity; oft. as が〜</s_inf> -<gloss>approximately</gloss> -<gloss>around</gloss> -<gloss>about</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -113,0 +106,8 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<s_inf>after a quantity + が</s_inf> +<gloss>approximately</gloss> +<gloss>around</gloss> +<gloss>about</gloss>
25.	A* 2024-01-03 08:24:54
	Comments:	1st sense sentence -> 4th sense 8th sense sentence -> 11th sense 9th sense sentence -> 10th sense
24.	A* 2024-01-03 08:19:02 Syed Raza <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Correction: seq# 2859579.
23.	A* 2024-01-03 08:14:59 Syed Raza <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	* meikyo: ⑦《数量・程度・範囲などを表す連体修飾句を受けて》おおよその程度や漠然とした範囲を表す * iwakoku: 《数量的表現＋「が」＋「とこ（ろ）」の形で》そのくらいの数・分量・値段。 * daijs: 2.ク.（数量を表す語に格助詞「が」が付いた形を受けて）だいたいの程度を表す。
	Comments:	From rejected submission 2286286. I'm not sure what the PoS is.
	Diff:	@@ -86,0 +87,8 @@ +<s_inf>following a quantity; oft. as が〜</s_inf> +<gloss>approximately</gloss> +<gloss>around</gloss> +<gloss>about</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc>
22.	A 2021-03-31 04:35:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Bulk update n-adv to n,adv -- via bulkupd.py --
	Diff:	@@ -25 +25 @@ -<pos>&n-adv;</pos> +<pos>&adv;</pos>
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21.	A 2021-02-28 05:07:38 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
20.	A* 2021-02-25 17:26:34 Edward Coventry <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Unidic classifies as 名詞, 普通名詞, 副詞可能, -> Noun, Common Noun, Adverb-able
	Comments:	Adding n-adv is consistent with Unidic
	Diff:	@@ -24,0 +25 @@ +<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
19.	A 2017-04-19 07:30:17 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5
	Comments:	This may make it clearer.
	Diff:	@@ -65,0 +66 @@ +<gloss>passage (in text)</gloss>
18.	A* 2017-03-10 11:12:39
	Comments:	I have added translations to [5] but I cannot see how [5] and [6] are different
	Diff:	@@ -57,0 +58,3 @@ +<gloss>aspect</gloss> +<gloss>side</gloss> +<gloss>facet</gloss>
17.	A 2016-11-22 03:56:25 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	After 3 months I think it's time to close it.
16.	A* 2016-09-12 02:22:12 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
15.	A 2016-09-12 02:21:43 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I'll approve this to get Paul's extra sense in, then reopen. Not sure about removing the "suf". We'd have to amend the comment at least.
14.	A* 2016-08-18 22:22:02 Paul Upchurch <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijs: "事柄。内容。こと。"
	Comments:	Possibly should remove [suf] from most senses?
	Diff:	@@ -73,0 +74,7 @@ +<pos>&suf;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<gloss>thing</gloss> +<gloss>matter</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos>
13.	A 2015-04-21 01:11:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	5 I think.
	Diff:	@@ -54,0 +55 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2158990">いいとこ・1</xref>
12.	A* 2015-04-14 05:35:12
	Comments:	sense 5 or 6 (not sure which?) might want to x-ref to いいところ[1] would clarify the sense a bit.
11.	A 2015-04-14 04:11:45 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
10.	A* 2015-04-13 01:19:27 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5, ルミナス (both use kanji in examples for sense 1 only), 中辞典 (uses kana for all examples)
	Comments:	I think we can safely put "uk" on all senses except the first.
	Diff:	@@ -34,0 +35 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -39,0 +41 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -46,0 +49 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -51,0 +55 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -56,0 +61 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -61,0 +67 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc>
9.	A* 2015-04-12 12:38:22
	Comments:	I don't think these get tagged with [suf], and they're not [aux-v] either.
	Diff:	@@ -67 +66,0 @@ -<pos>&suf;</pos> @@ -75 +73,0 @@ -<pos>&suf;</pos> @@ -83 +80,0 @@ -<pos>&suf;</pos>
8.	A* 2015-04-12 12:05:22
	Refs:	n-grams gives a bit short of 2:1 for kana, plus 240k hits for どころ
	Comments:	- とこ is definitely always kana - I'm only adding [uk] to the grammatical constructs for now, but - I think this is / should be usually-kana for all of the senses
	Diff:	@@ -75,0 +76 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -82,0 +84 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc>
7.	A 2014-01-08 06:18:57 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	approving the clean-up. this has been sitting for a while, and i don't think the comment is going to be addressed. the current entry seems okay
6.	A* 2014-01-03 08:06:04 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	(just a quick clean-up, not a reply to Francis' comment)
	Diff:	@@ -76 +76,2 @@ -<gloss>(after present form of a verb) about to</gloss> +<s_inf>after present form of a verb</s_inf> +<gloss>about to</gloss> @@ -82 +83,2 @@ -<gloss>(after past form of a verb) was just doing</gloss> +<s_inf>after past form of a verb</s_inf> +<gloss>was just doing</gloss>
5.	A* 2013-11-21 18:21:56 Francis
	Refs:	See below.
	Comments:	The above references, numbered [8],[9] and [10], seem to me to be odd. I have not amended them because they are replicated in other dictionaries [presumably based upon your dictionary]. However, with the hesitatingly cautious steps of the novice treading into the arena of the experts, I make the following suggestions. [8][n,suf][uk] [note="after the plain past form of a verb"] have just finished (doing something) [9][n,suf] (after present form of a verb) be about to (do something) [10][n,suf] (after te-iru form of a verb) be in the process of (doing something) If my observations above are about right, I have no doubt that you will expand upon the meanings. I my observations above are incorrect, then my apologies.
4.	A 2013-01-08 04:49:42 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
3.	A* 2013-01-03 02:09:34 winnie <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	http://www.guidetolearnjapanese.com/2008/05/learn-how-to-use-tokoro-with-verbs-to-show-time-action-in-japanese/　　 http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/4883/which-ところ-is-this　　 http://www.laits.utexas.edu/japanese/joshu/grammar/glist/y2/ch2/gl_y2_ch2_irutokoro.php
	Comments:	I've added meaning #10. Similar to #9 -- present form + ところ -- meaning "about to", is past form + ところ, with a meaning like "I was just ____", as in "今この子達に説明していたところです" -- I was just now explaining it to these children. Feel free to modify my wording... I know it's not great :-) This is different from meaning #8, which is also after the past form.
	Diff:	@@ -79,0 +79,8 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<pos>&suf;</pos> +<gloss>(after past form of a verb) was just doing</gloss> +<gloss>was in the process of doing</gloss> +<gloss>have just done</gloss> +<gloss>just finished doing</gloss> +</sense>
2.	A 2010-09-08 02:42:31 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
1.	A* 2010-09-08 02:03:03 Scott
	Diff:	@@ -10,0 +10,4 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>處</keb> +<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>

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