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A 2023-12-07 07:14:19 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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〈出／で〉る〈杭／くい／クイ〉は〈打／う〉たれる
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 出る杭は打たれる │ 24,938 │ 89.1% │
│ 出るくいは打たれる │ 1,687 │ 6.0% │ - sK
│ 出る杭はうたれる │ 612 │ 2.2% │ - add, sK
│ 出るクイは打たれる │ 417 │ 1.5% │ - add, sK
│ でる杭は打たれる │ 162 │ 0.6% │ - add, sK
│ 出るくいはうたれる │ 44 │ 0.2% │
│ でるくいはうたれる │ 121 │ 0.4% │
╰─ーーーーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>出る杭はうたれる</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>出るクイは打たれる</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>でる杭は打たれる</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2023-12-07 07:06:07 Syed Raza <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams
出る杭は打たれる 24,938 93.7%
出るくいは打たれる 1,687 6.3% <- prog (under 「杭」 entry) |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>出るくいは打たれる</keb> |
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A 2022-07-26 01:45:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/issues/69 |
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Firther to the issue discussion, I'll add the [v1] back. |
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+<pos>&v1;</pos>
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+<pos>&v1;</pos> |
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A* 2022-07-17 23:53:02 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Fixing cross reference |
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-<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる・2</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる・2</xref> |
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A 2022-07-17 08:40:06 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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We've had this discussion before, probably like here in one or across several entries rather than on the mailing list (i.e. in the pre-Github days), unfortunately, making it hard to find. It's a policy question so I think this discussion belongs on Github. |
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A* 2022-07-17 05:51:24 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Maybe this is a more convincing argument. The American proverb
is "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." Nobody would bat an eye
if I were to say "the squeaky wheel got the grease," "will get
the grease," "didn't get the grease" (ironically), etc. If I were
learning English, it would be really convenient if I had a way to
tie these derivatives back to the original form of the proverb. |
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A* 2022-07-17 03:59:09 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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The inflected forms get 2,064 out of 27,002 counts (7.6%).
If you look up 「出る杭は打たれます」 with, say, jisho.org or
yomichan, you won't find this entry. There are also, for example,
people who read books on tablets and e-readers who use text
scanning software to find definitions, and even if they suspect
「出る杭は打たれます」 might be an inflected form of an idiom,
it's especially inconvenient for them to exit their applications
and manually search for the de-inflected text elsewhere. |
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A* 2022-07-17 02:08:39 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think verb class tags are appropriate for proverbs. They're fixed expressions. They shouldn't conjugate. |
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A* 2022-07-16 17:06:16 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーーーー─┬────────╮
│ 出る杭は打たれる │ 24,938 │
│ 出る杭は打たれます │ 424 │
│ 出る杭は打たれない │ 747 │
│ 出る杭は打たれた │ 255 │
│ 出る杭は打たれて │ 638 │
╰─ーーーーーーーーー─┴────────╯ |
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I think we should keep the [v1] tags. |
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A 2017-12-22 10:52:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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-<xref type="see">出る釘は打たれる</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる</xref> |
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A* 2017-12-22 08:41:44 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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daij |
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(aligning with ~出る釘) |
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-<pos>&v1;</pos>
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-<gloss>the nail that sticks out gets hammered in</gloss>
-<gloss>the best policy is to keep your head down</gloss>
+<misc>&proverb;</misc>
+<gloss>the nail that sticks out gets hammered down</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">people that stick out too much get punished</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<xref type="see">出る釘は打たれる</xref>
+<misc>&proverb;</misc>
+<gloss>tall trees catch much wind</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">people that excel at something become disliked</gloss> |
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A 2012-06-22 01:37:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2012-06-21 14:34:45 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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Link to alt form (incoming link, so ref other way too). |
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+<xref type="see" seq="1338260">出る釘は打たれる</xref> |
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A 2011-02-14 23:46:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Added additional PoS via batch update.Added additional PoS via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*- |
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+<pos>&v1;</pos> |