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味噌っかす；味噌っ滓 [rK] ；味噌っ粕 [sK] ；味噌っ糟 [sK]
【みそっかす】

[n] [uk]
▶ miso lees
▶ miso strainings
▶ miso dregs

Cross references:
	⇐ see: 2859263 味噌粕【みそかす】 1. miso lees; miso strainings; miso dregs

[n] [uk,col]
▶ worthless thing
▶ good-for-nothing

Cross references:
	⇐ see: 2859263 味噌粕【みそかす】 2. worthless thing; good-for-nothing

[n] [uk,col]
▶ child who is left out of games
▶ child who is made light of
▶ child treated unequally by peers

Cross references:
	⇐ see: 2859263 味噌粕【みそかす】 3. child who is left out of games; child who is made light of; child treated unequally by peers

History:

13.	A 2023-11-16 10:49:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Looks fine to me. I'll align 味噌粕.
12.	A* 2023-11-16 00:48:25 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	I see shinsen also has 3 senses, but it only has an entry for みそかす.
11.	A* 2023-11-16 00:39:04 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Most of my kokugos (smk, sankoku, daijr, obunsha) handle the "worthless" and "child" senses separately. E.g. sankoku has the literal sense in a note and then two dedicated senses for the "worthless" and "child" meanings. I think the "immature child or person" gloss is a misinterpretation. I read "一人前の扱いをされない子供" as "child not treated as a full-fledged member," "child not treated equally by peers," etc.
	Diff:	@@ -32,0 +33,7 @@ +<gloss>worthless thing</gloss> +<gloss>good-for-nothing</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<misc>&col;</misc> @@ -35,2 +42 @@ -<gloss>immature child or person</gloss> -<gloss>good-for-nothing</gloss> +<gloss>child treated unequally by peers</gloss>
10.	A* 2023-11-16 00:25:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5, etc. Kokugos
	Comments:	On reflection, I think that point is covered OK in sense 2. No note is needed. The 味噌粕 entry will need adjusting if this is approved.
	Diff:	@@ -25 +24,0 @@ -<s_inf>usu. ref. to something worthless</s_inf> @@ -33 +32 @@ -<misc>&sl;</misc> +<misc>&col;</misc>
9.	A* 2023-11-16 00:03:11 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	That's not a usage note, it's a note about meaning. It should be a gloss, probably a separate sense? I don't have time to look into it now, but want to flag it. 取り急ぎ
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8.	A 2023-11-15 22:39:52 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Trimming.
	Diff:	@@ -25 +25 @@ -<s_inf>usu. in reference to something worthless</s_inf> +<s_inf>usu. ref. to something worthless</s_inf>
7.	A* 2023-11-15 15:59:39
	Refs:	sankoku, smk
	Comments:	also changed order of glosses for 2nd sense
	Diff:	@@ -32,0 +33,2 @@ +<misc>&sl;</misc> +<gloss>child who is left out of games</gloss> @@ -34 +35,0 @@ -<gloss>child who is left out of games</gloss>
6.	A* 2023-11-15 15:56:21
	Refs:	sankoku, daijr, smk Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮ │ みそっかす │ 8,506 │ 80.1% │ │ 味噌っかす │ 1,910 │ 18.0% │ │ 味噌っ滓　 │ 91 │ 0.9% │ │ 味噌っ粕　 │ 114 │ 1.1% │ │ 味噌っ糟　 │ 0 │ 0.0% │ ╰─ーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯
	Comments:	味噌っ滓 is present in all kokugos
	Diff:	@@ -8,0 +9 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -11,0 +13,5 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>味噌っ糟</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -18,0 +25 @@ +<s_inf>usu. in reference to something worthless</s_inf>
5.	A 2012-08-28 01:56:54 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	yes, it would need to be separate
4.	A* 2012-08-28 01:03:53 Marcus
	Refs:	味噌っ粕 in 必携類語実用辞典 + 12,500 results (味噌っ糟 gets ca 70 results)
	Comments:	should 味噌滓/味噌糟(みそかす)　(in daijr and nikk) be a separate entry?
	Diff:	@@ -9,0 +9,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>味噌っ粕</keb>
3.	A 2012-08-28 00:44:17 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
2.	A* 2012-08-27 23:34:02 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	gg5 has 'good-for-nothing', but i don't really care for it. progressive's translations match japanese dictionaries better (i.e., it is a child who is made light of, not one who is ~actually~ a "good for nothing")
	Diff:	@@ -5,1 +5,1 @@ -<keb>味噌っ滓</keb> +<keb>味噌っかす</keb> @@ -8,1 +8,1 @@ -<keb>味噌っかす</keb> +<keb>味噌っ滓</keb> @@ -15,0 +15,1 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -16,0 +17,2 @@ +<gloss>miso strainings</gloss> +<gloss>miso dregs</gloss> @@ -19,0 +22,4 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<gloss>child who is made light of</gloss> +<gloss>child who is left out of games</gloss> +<gloss>immature child or person</gloss> @@ -21,5 +28,0 @@ -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<gloss>immature child or person</gloss> -<gloss>kid who treated not as formal member in the child play</gloss> -</sense>
1.	A* 2012-08-27 08:17:56 huixing
	Refs:	http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/212042/m0u/
	Diff:	@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>味噌っかす</keb> @@ -21,0 +24,1 @@ +<gloss>kid who treated not as formal member in the child play</gloss>

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