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A 2023-10-25 19:52:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-10-25 15:43:23 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 甘味 │ 2,279,547 │ 55.8% │
│ 甘み │ 1,720,355 │ 42.1% │
│ あま味 │ 823 │ 0.0% │ - sK
│ あまみ │ 82,992 │ 2.0% │
╰─ーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯ |
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-<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2019-03-21 08:46:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2019-03-21 08:28:55 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't see うまみ for 甘味/甘み in the yahoo kokugos. Deleting it and also splitting out かんみ. |
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-<r_ele>
-<reb>かんみ</reb>
-<re_restr>甘味</re_restr>
-<re_restr>甘み</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>うまみ</reb>
-<re_restr>甘味</re_restr>
-<re_restr>甘み</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
@@ -35,2 +24,0 @@
-<stagr>あまみ</stagr>
-<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
@@ -42,2 +29,0 @@
-<stagr>あまみ</stagr>
-<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
@@ -49,15 +34,0 @@
-<sense>
-<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
-<stagr>うまみ</stagr>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>charm</gloss>
-<gloss>appeal</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
-<stagr>うまみ</stagr>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>taste</gloss>
-<gloss>flavour</gloss>
-<gloss>flavor</gloss>
-</sense> |
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A* 2019-03-21 03:36:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Does うまみ really belong in this entry? We already have 旨味, etc for it. None of my references have 甘味 for うまみ.
Not sure what Rene's 3-way split would entail. |
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A* 2019-03-13 11:29:27 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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those aren't ateji for かんみ, which is the reading that holds this entry together. it should be split into three. |
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A* 2019-03-12 19:37:35 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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daijs |
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+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> |
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A 2013-07-06 11:08:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2013-07-06 10:14:46 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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+<gloss>flavor</gloss> |
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A 2013-07-05 05:20:10 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2013-07-05 04:35:42 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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Haha! ;-)
Well, to the best of my knowledge, that's correct, and matches
my proposal. I have no inclination to go further with it for
the time being. |
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A* 2013-07-05 03:25:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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How does this look? You put restrictions thus: [よみかた][漢字形]
Makes CEDICT look simple 8-)} |
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@@ -33,0 +33,2 @@
+<stagr>あまみ</stagr>
+<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
@@ -38,0 +40,2 @@
+<stagr>あまみ</stagr>
+<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
@@ -43,0 +47,14 @@
+<sense>
+<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
+<stagr>うまみ</stagr>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>charm</gloss>
+<gloss>appeal</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<stagr>かんみ</stagr>
+<stagr>うまみ</stagr>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>taste</gloss>
+<gloss>flavour</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A* 2013-07-05 01:56:42 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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Genius WaEi @ 甘味(かんみ):
- sweet 甘さ;
- sweets キャンディー, あまい菓子[ケーキ]
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ドルチェ（dolce）は、... 英語の「スイーツ」や日本語「甘味」と同様に甘いもの全般、デザートの意味もある。
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ドルチェ
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甘味（かんみ、あまみ）とは、味覚の一つ。また、菓子や果物などの甘い物を総称して甘味（かんみ）とも呼ぶことがある。
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/甘味. |
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How do we specify that this sense is only pronounced かんみ?
Actually, the following entry in Kodansha suggests that あまみ may be used for sweets as well(?)
甘味 [あまみ] ★
(1)甘いこと・感じ。sweetness 甘さ。
(2)甘い味のもの。甘味料。菓子・あめなど。
And Kojien corroborates with its sense #2 of あまみ: あまい味のもの。特に菓子。
But it gets a little complicated when I look up かんみ in Kojien and Kodansha. Maybe we need to split this entry into one entry
for amami and one for kanmi? We don't have the "charm" sense in EDICT, and that's only for the かんみ reading, it seems:
KODANSHA
甘味 [かんみ] ★
(1)あまい味。また, あまい食べ物。sweetness
(2)物事のうまみ, おもしろさ。charm
KOJIEN [かんみ]
1 あまい味、あまみの多い食品。
2 うまい食物。
3 物事のおもしろさ。うまみ。
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[some time later ...] OK, I've just drawn up a set of definitions based on so many dictionary searches that I can't document
them all.
It'd take too much time and take up a lot of space here.
I suggest something like this breakdown (according to the 3 different readings)
甘味; 甘み
- umami
1 taste; flavour
2 charm; appeal
- kanmi
1 sweetness; sugary taste
2 sweets; dessert; cake
3 taste; flavour
4 charm; appeal
- amami
1 sweetness; sugary taste
2 sweets; cake; dessert
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There may be more to it than that, but I'm not going to spend more time on it for now! :-) |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>sweets</gloss>
+<gloss>dessert</gloss>
+<gloss>cake</gloss>
+</sense> |