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A 2023-10-20 04:50:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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蛍族 2783 36.0%
ホタル族 4874 63.1%
ほたるぞく 64 0.8%
ホタルぞく 0 0.0% |
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Simpler |
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-<keb>蛍族</keb>
+<keb>ホタル族</keb>
@@ -8 +8 @@
-<keb>ホタル族</keb>
+<keb>蛍族</keb>
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-<re_restr>蛍族</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ホタルぞく</reb>
-<re_restr>ホタル族</re_restr> |
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A 2015-01-19 22:36:54 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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koj
ほたる‐ぞく【蛍族】
（夜間タバコの火が蛍のように見えることから）室内で喫煙ができず、ベランダなどに出てタバコを吸う人たちの俗称。1980年代末からいう語。 |
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i think the meaning is obvious and it's fine |
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A* 2015-01-18 08:38:10 Marcus Richert
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are they necessarily "forced"?
I don't see this in daij |
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A 2013-04-14 11:39:23 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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BTW, some of the WWW images show people sitting on steps, etc. |
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A* 2013-04-14 07:13:32 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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-<gloss>firefly tribe</gloss>
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+<gloss g_type="lit">firefly tribe</gloss> |
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A 2013-04-14 06:06:31 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2013-04-14 05:38:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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ＫＯＤ追加語彙: "〔マンションのベランダなどで喫煙する人たちの俗称〕 “the firefly tribe”; smokers who light up (cigarettes) on the veranda (at night); smokers forced to smoke outside (the office)."
Daijr: "...ベランダなど...".
http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/mrchingsang/diary/200903280000/ |
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I don't think it needs to include veranda/apartment/condo/pavement/back garden/porch/etc. The rakuten example is clearly an office. |
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-<gloss>people who smoke on the veranda or balcony of their apartment or condo</gloss> |
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A* 2013-04-13 16:25:59 Scott
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The daijisen and wikipedia entries don't talk about workers at all. wiki:"蛍族（ほたるぞく）は、マンションなどの集合住宅のベランダにおいて、喫煙をする人、ないしその行為を指す俗称[1]。ほたる族。ホタル族。"
Kotobank agrees:http://kotobank.jp/word/蛍族・ホタル族・ほたる族
same here: http://zokugo-dict.com/30ho/hotaruzoku.htm
news article: http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/nonsec/73946/ (seems like it might become illegal)
eij just has "outside smokers"
I can't find a ref for the "workers" sense. Maybe it's just KOD? |
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+<gloss>people who smoke on the veranda or balcony of their apartment or condo</gloss> |
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A 2013-04-13 12:56:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Daijr, ＫＯＤ追加語彙 |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>ホタル族</keb>
+</k_ele>
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+<re_restr>蛍族</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ホタルぞく</reb>
+<re_restr>ホタル族</re_restr>
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-<gloss>people in apartment buildings or mansions who go out on their balcony to smoke a cigarette</gloss>
+<gloss>smokers forced to smoke outside</gloss> |
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A* 2013-04-09 04:05:09 Scott
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wiki daijs |