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A 2023-10-05 23:59:50 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I'm not sure why GG5 has those glosses. The word isn't defined that way in the kokugos. |
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-<s_inf>usu. as 〜に</s_inf>
+<s_inf>usu. adverbially as 〜に</s_inf> |
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A* 2023-10-04 12:34:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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中辞典 has:
交互の 〈相互の〉 mutual; 《文》 reciprocal; 〈交替の〉 alternate
交互に mutually; 《文》 reciprocally; 〈交替して〉 alternately; by turns
GG5:
交互に 〔互いに〕 mutually; reciprocally; one after the other; 〔交替に〕 alternately; interchangeably; by turns |
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I see we removed "mutually" and "reciprocally" from our 交互に a few years ago. |
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A* 2023-10-04 10:58:06 Mami Suzuki <...address hidden...>
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Japanese intuition |
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A user asked us to add "mutual" as a definition for 交互 on WaniKani. However, "mutual" and "reciprocal" are better represented by 相互 and 相互的な, not 交互. 交互 actually means "by turns" or "in turn," where one person does something after another alternately, often repeating the pattern. |
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-<gloss>mutual</gloss>
-<gloss>reciprocal</gloss> |
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A 2020-09-10 03:01:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2020-09-09 11:37:48 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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We should lead with "alternate". I'm not convinced that "mutual" and "reciprocal" are even correct.
I think the note should be kept. We have similar notes on other entries. It's good for showing why the x-ref is there. |
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+<s_inf>usu. as 〜に</s_inf>
+<gloss>alternate</gloss>
+<gloss>alternating</gloss>
@@ -24 +26,0 @@
-<gloss>alternate</gloss> |
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A 2020-09-09 06:06:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK |
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A* 2020-09-09 03:49:37 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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seems like a good approach
with the xref I think we can drop the note |
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-<s_inf>usu. as 交互に</s_inf> |
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A 2020-09-09 03:17:56 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. I've drafted one. |
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+<xref type="see" seq="2846444">交互に</xref> |
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A* 2020-09-08 23:56:02 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I was going to suggest creating a separate 交互に entry. I think that's the best approach. |
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A 2020-09-08 23:36:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Sorry, I didn't mean to approve my "adv" edit, although the fundamental use is 交互に. I think the way Rene has set it up works and is our usual practice. We could have a separate entry for 交互に if it would help.
The references are all over the place - GG5 leads with 〜する, 中辞典 with 交互の, ....
I've added an adverbial 交互に entry to my "glossing specials" file to make sure WWWJDIC handles it correctly. |
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A* 2020-09-08 18:47:59 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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meikyo, nikkoku: [n] |
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i don't think that matches how we normally handle entries. the glosses should match the PoS with very rare exceptions, and i don't think this should be handled as one. in this case, it is rather obvious how to change the english glosses into adverbs when you use 交互に, so i don't think the adverbial glosses are needed, and i think it's potentially confusing to suggest that 交互 alone can be translated as "mutually". |
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+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -20,5 +21,3 @@
-<gloss>mutually</gloss>
-<gloss>reciprocally</gloss>
-<gloss>one after the other</gloss>
-<gloss>by turns</gloss>
-<gloss>alternately</gloss>
+<gloss>mutual</gloss>
+<gloss>reciprocal</gloss>
+<gloss>alternate</gloss> |
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A* 2020-09-08 16:46:43 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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I see what you are saying, but it is used adverbially (with に) 80% of the time
and adjectivally (with の) 1% of time.
I think the comment functions as a PoS tag and that we can gloss accordingly. |
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A* 2020-09-08 16:21:03 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i agree that it shouldn't be [adv], but it also shouldn't be glossed as an adverb. i think the original adjectival glosses (matching the [adj-no]) were most appropriate |
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A* 2020-09-08 16:03:19 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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No, this is not an adverb.
An adverb is a word that can be used adverbially (i.e. to modify a verb, adjective, etc.) without adding any particle.
Words that can be used adverbially after adding に (or と or で) are nouns. |
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-<pos>&adv;</pos> |
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A 2020-09-08 11:33:27 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Daijr: （多く「に」を伴って） |
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
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+<pos>&vs;</pos> |
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A* 2020-09-08 10:23:51 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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gg5 koj
daijr: 多く「に」を伴って
G n-grams:
交互 986824
交互に 811878
交互で 13187
交互の 11996 |
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-> adv glosses |
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-<gloss>mutual</gloss>
-<gloss>reciprocal</gloss>
-<gloss>alternate</gloss>
+<s_inf>usu. as 交互に</s_inf>
+<gloss>mutually</gloss>
+<gloss>reciprocally</gloss>
+<gloss>one after the other</gloss>
+<gloss>by turns</gloss>
+<gloss>alternately</gloss> |