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迄も [rK]
【までも [spec1] 】

[exp] [uk]
《more emphatic than まで》
▶ to (an extent)
▶ up to
▶ so far as
▶ even

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1525680 【まで】 3. to (an extent); up to; so far as; even

[exp] [uk]
《as ...までもない》
▶ there is no need to ...
▶ it should hardly be necessary to ...

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2098080 【までもない】 1. there is no need to ...; it should hardly be necessary to ...

[exp] [uk]
《as ...ないまでも》
▶ even if there is no need to ... (at least ...)

History:

10.	A 2023-09-23 22:31:24 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
9.	A* 2023-09-21 20:05:30 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	meikyo
	Comments:	Aligning sense 2. Making sense 3 a bit clearer.
	Diff:	@@ -9,0 +10 @@ +<re_pri>spec1</re_pri> @@ -13 +14 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1525680">迄・まで・3</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1525680">まで・3</xref> @@ -25,3 +26,3 @@ -<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない</s_inf> -<gloss>doesn't amount to doing ...</gloss> -<gloss>not significant enough to require ...</gloss> +<s_inf>as ...までもない</s_inf> +<gloss>there is no need to ...</gloss> +<gloss>it should hardly be necessary to ...</gloss> @@ -32,2 +33,2 @@ -<s_inf>usu. as 〜ないまでも</s_inf> -<gloss>even if ...</gloss> +<s_inf>as ...ないまでも</s_inf> +<gloss>even if there is no need to ... (at least ...)</gloss>
8.	A 2022-05-13 07:18:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK for the xref but the note is saying a bit more.
	Diff:	@@ -24,0 +25 @@ +<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない</s_inf>
7.	A* 2022-05-11 18:43:18 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	better to have this as a reference rather than a sense note?
	Diff:	@@ -23,0 +24 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2098080">までもない</xref> @@ -25 +25,0 @@ -<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない</s_inf>
6.	A* 2022-05-11 17:32:48 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Google N-gram Corpus Counts 33,612 0.3% 迄も 10,889,344 99.7% までも
	Diff:	@@ -5,0 +6 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
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5.	A 2012-05-18 11:42:38 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Thanks. That looks good.
4.	A* 2012-05-18 06:27:10 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	i guess that's not really an instance of までも
	Diff:	@@ -23,1 +23,1 @@ -<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない, までのこともない, etc.</s_inf> +<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない</s_inf>
3.	A* 2012-05-18 06:23:56 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	meikyo
	Comments:	sense 2 copied from までもない
	Diff:	@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>迄も</keb> +</k_ele> @@ -9,1 +12,20 @@ -<gloss>まで（も）is used to present something which is considered to be beyong one's expectation or imatination</gloss> +<xref type="see" seq="1525680">迄・まで・3</xref> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<s_inf>more emphatic than まで</s_inf> +<gloss>to (an extent)</gloss> +<gloss>up to</gloss> +<gloss>so far as</gloss> +<gloss>even</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<s_inf>usu. as 〜までもない, までのこともない, etc.</s_inf> +<gloss>doesn't amount to doing ...</gloss> +<gloss>not significant enough to require ...</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc> +<s_inf>usu. as 〜ないまでも</s_inf> +<gloss>even if ...</gloss>
2.	A* 2012-05-15 11:10:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Daijirin, ルミナス
	Comments:	I think it goes further than that, and it all depends on where it is used. Daijirin has a long entry with three different senses. We already have several entries containing までも; 言うまでもない, どこまでも, etc. If we are going to have an entry, it needs to be a proper one.
1.	A* 2012-05-10 12:19:37

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