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A 2023-06-07 13:19:04 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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It's in all the kokugos and JEs so it should be visible. |
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A 2023-06-07 01:23:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. Given the n-grams for まつわりつく it could be sk. |
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A* 2023-06-07 00:54:49 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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daij, prog, luminous |
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Splitting into senses.
I think Stephen's suggestion (in a fork) to hide まとわり付く is sensible. I don't think it's worth adding restr tags just to accommodate a form that gets <10% in the n-grams. |
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@@ -4,3 +3,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>まとわり付く</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -11,0 +9,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>まとわり付く</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -26,2 +26,0 @@
-<re_restr>纏わり付く</re_restr>
-<re_restr>纏り付く</re_restr>
@@ -33,4 +32,10 @@
-<gloss>to coil about</gloss>
-<gloss>to follow about</gloss>
-<gloss>to surround</gloss>
-<gloss>to cling to</gloss>
+<gloss>to coil around</gloss>
+<gloss>to twine around</gloss>
+<gloss>to cling (to)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5k;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>to follow around</gloss>
+<gloss>to hang around</gloss> |
| 12. |
A 2023-06-05 22:46:59 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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That's correct. Many of the previous [oK] have been retagged [sK]. |
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A* 2023-06-05 22:40:36 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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* 旧字体 |
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A* 2023-06-05 22:39:26 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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I believe we now only use [oK] to designate forms which contain 旧自体 kanji. |
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@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2023-06-03 08:10:33 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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纏りつく 38 0.0%
纏り付く 145 0.1% |
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There was a 2019 suggestion to maybe [oK] 纏り付く. On the ngrams and absence in most modern references, I think [sK] could also apply.
Anyway, it would minimally be nice to know at a glance that it is no longer considered correct (which seems uncontroversial. not in sankoku, not in daijs, not in any kotobank or weblio references, super-low on ngrams).
=== non-critical observations on readings follow
Was surprised at the relative commonness of the まつ variant. Appears in sankoku only as a reference(but it *is* still there):
纏(まつ)わり付く→纏（まと）わり付く
this seems to reverse the ordering from daijs, which keeps the historical-but-less-popular form as the main headword. |
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@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2023-01-22 11:09:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-01-22 11:08:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I prefer this version. I'll reject the later edit. |
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A* 2023-01-22 01:30:26 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ まとわり付く │ 10,617 │ 9.3% │
│ 纏わりつく │ 8,326 │ 7.3% │ - sK
│ 纏わり付く │ 4,790 │ 4.2% │ - (in daijr/s, koj, shinmeikai)
│ まつわり付く │ 213 │ 0.2% │ - sK
│ 纏り付く │ 145 │ 0.1% │ - (in daijr, shinmeikai)
│ 纒り付く │ 0 │ 0.0% │ - drop (itaiji)
│ 纒わり付く │ 0 │ 0.0% │ - drop (itaiji)
│ まとわりつく │ 86,498 │ 75.8% │
│ まつわりつく │ 3,486 │ 3.1% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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Simplifying restrictions |
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@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-<keb>纏わりつく</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -12,3 +8,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>まつわり付く</keb>
@@ -20 +14,2 @@
-<keb>纒り付く</keb>
+<keb>纏わりつく</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -23 +18,2 @@
-<keb>纒わり付く</keb>
+<keb>まつわり付く</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -27,3 +22,0 @@
-<re_restr>まとわり付く</re_restr>
-<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
-<re_restr>纏わり付く</re_restr>
@@ -33 +25,0 @@
-<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
@@ -35 +27 @@
-<re_restr>まつわり付く</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纏り付く</re_restr> |
| 5. |
A 2019-09-01 04:11:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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まとわり付く 10617
纏わり付く 4790
纏わりつく 8326
まつわり付く 213
纏り付く 145 |
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Could possibly have "oK" on the last two. |
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@@ -8 +8 @@
-<keb>纏わり付く</keb>
+<keb>纏わりつく</keb>
@@ -11 +11 @@
-<keb>纏わりつく</keb>
+<keb>纏わり付く</keb>
@@ -27,0 +28 @@
+<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
@@ -29 +29,0 @@
-<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
@@ -32,0 +33 @@
+<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
@@ -34 +34,0 @@
-<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr> |
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A* 2019-08-31 10:49:53 Nicolas Maia
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daijirin (1) https://kotobank.jp/word/纏わり付く・纒わり付く-388490 (2) https://kotobank.jp/word/纏り付く・纒り付く-388348#E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.9E.97.20.E7.AC.AC.E4.B8.89.E7.89.88
kenkyusha https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/纏わり付く |
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The amount of variants is incredible |
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@@ -14,0 +15,9 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>纏り付く</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>纒り付く</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>纒わり付く</keb>
@@ -33,0 +43,2 @@
+<gloss>to surround</gloss>
+<gloss>to cling to</gloss> |
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A 2014-03-19 07:51:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Probably not. |
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@@ -16,3 +15,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>纒わり付く</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -24 +20,0 @@
-<re_restr>纒わり付く</re_restr>
@@ -31 +26,0 @@
-<re_restr>纒わり付く</re_restr> |
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A* 2014-03-19 02:56:57 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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not iK. itaiji. however 纒わり付く gets 44 google hits, including many edict-dervied ones. is it worth recording at all? |
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-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> |
| 1. |
A* 2014-03-18 09:42:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Ngrams. The JEs point まとわりつく to まつわりつく and do all their examples as kana (まつわりつく), but the n-grams show that the まとわりつく versions are more common. |
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@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>まとわり付く</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -10,0 +14,3 @@
+<keb>まつわり付く</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -15 +21,5 @@
-<reb>まつわりつく</reb>
+<reb>まとわりつく</reb>
+<re_restr>まとわり付く</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纏わり付く</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纒わり付く</re_restr>
@@ -18 +28,5 @@
-<reb>まとわりつく</reb>
+<reb>まつわりつく</reb>
+<re_restr>纏わり付く</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纏わりつく</re_restr>
+<re_restr>まつわり付く</re_restr>
+<re_restr>纒わり付く</re_restr>
@@ -22,0 +37 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc> |