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▶ final aim ▶ final end ▶ supreme end |
5. | D 2023-03-03 19:56:38 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
4. | D* 2023-03-03 17:07:02 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 最終目標 170413 "end goal; final target" 最終的な目標 21086 最終の目標 1793 最終目的 107373 "ultimate goal" 最終的な目的 12581 最終の目的 2290 究極の目標 72730 究極の目的 37379 究極的な目標 2381 究極的な目的 2276 |
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Comments: | Just noticed, it looks like we may already have an even-higher n-gram "ultimate goal": 最終目標 and/or 最終目的. Current glossing seems inconsistent and maybe a little arbitrary on these entries though. Are these "ultimate goals" and "ultimate objectives" or "final goals and final objectives" (and, is there a difference? hmmm). |
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3. | D* 2023-03-03 15:11:19 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 究極の目標 72730 62.7% 究極の目的 37379 32.2% 究極目標 3502 3.0% 究極目的 2421 2.1% |
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Comments: | In sankoku's entry for 究極, the example usage us 「ーの目的」。(ie. it's common) N-grams show that 究極の目標 and 究極の目的 are far more common than the contracted forms, but the full forms are not in jmdict, so I can't xref them. I see gg5 and eij cited, but no kokugos (and google doesn't give me one). This is one of these cases where I find the entry distracting/misleading as a Japanese learner. Yes, this term means "final aim". But the better way to *say* final aim is "究極の目的". Alternatively, I wouldn't object to creating 究極の目的 and 究極の目標 and xref'ing them together as a sign of relative frequency. It's a super-common, but also somewhat obvious-looking. Probably no one would think to actively search a dictionary for "final aim", you'd just encounter them by chance (as I have). Otherwise they seem to fail most basic tests for entry. If you see 窮極目的in the wild, the meaning is self-evident from 窮極+目的. For my part, I'm replacing my flash card for 究極目的 with 究極の目標/究極の目標. These seem useful enough to me to study. But not sure any of these belong here. |
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2. | A 2014-02-25 23:36:25 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
1. | A* 2014-02-25 08:51:52 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | gg5, eij |
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Comments: | 'extreme purpose' is rather odd |
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Diff: | @@ -5 +5 @@ -<keb>窮極目的</keb> +<keb>究極目的</keb> @@ -8 +8 @@ -<keb>究極目的</keb> +<keb>窮極目的</keb> @@ -15 +15,3 @@ -<gloss>extreme purpose</gloss> +<gloss>final aim</gloss> +<gloss>final end</gloss> +<gloss>supreme end</gloss> |