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A 2023-02-26 20:55:44 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-02-26 19:35:56 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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gg5, prog
つかみ所 21,930 27.0%
掴み所 14,443 17.8%
掴みどころ 11,247 13.9%
つかみどころ 33,468 41.3% |
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Not uk.
I don't think "sense" is a good fit. |
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@@ -15 +15 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -22,4 +22,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2647630">掴み所のない</xref>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<gloss>point (of a conversation, etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>sense</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2647630">つかみどころのない</xref>
+<gloss>point (of a question, story, etc.)</gloss> |
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A 2023-02-24 23:57:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-02-24 23:43:59 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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〈掴／つか〉み〈所／どころ〉（（が／の）ない）
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーーーー─┬────────╮
│ つかみ所 │ 21,930 │
│ 掴み所 │ 14,443 │
│ 掴みどころ │ 11,247 │
│ つかみどころ │ 33,468 │
├─ーーーーーーーーー─┼────────┤
│ つかみ所のない │ 7,988 │
│ 掴み所のない │ 4,697 │
│ 掴みどころのない │ 4,949 │
│ つかみどころのない │ 14,793 │
├─ーーーーーーーーー─┼────────┤
│ つかみ所がない │ 4,807 │
│ 掴み所がない │ 2,355 │
│ 掴みどころがない │ 2,108 │
│ つかみどころがない │ 8,571 │
├─ーーーーーーーーー─┼────────┤
│ つかみ所ない │ 281 │
│ 掴み所ない │ 131 │
│ 掴みどころない │ 169 │
│ つかみどころない │ 420 │
╰─ーーーーーーーーー─┴────────╯ |
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At least half of the usages are in a 「（が／の）ない」 expression. I think it'd be useful to have a reference to the most common one. |
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+<xref type="see" seq="2647630">掴み所のない</xref> |
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A 2021-09-18 04:14:38 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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つかみ所 21930
掴みどころ 11247
掴み所 14443 |
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Another form. |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>掴みどころ</keb> |
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A 2011-07-16 05:39:37 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2011-07-16 02:14:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Daij |
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The JEs have つかみどころのない as "vague; fuzzy; elusive; slippery". It gets more hits than つかみどころがない. AFAICT it means the same as つかみどころがない. I'll add both. |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>摑み所</keb>
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2011-07-14 17:20:19 Winnie <...address hidden...>
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A phrase which might be useful to add is "つかみ所がない". I ran across it in a book, and I've been scouring the web for a good definition. As far as I can tell, it translates as something like "inscrutable" or "inconsistent" or "slippery" (in the hard-to-pin-down sense, no the slimy sense).
A google search for the phrase turns up a number of pages where people are asking what the phrase means, so it appears I'm not the only one who could use a good definition! :-)
So if you are aware of a good phrasing for a definition, perhaps you could add this. |