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A 2022-12-23 06:03:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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ならない 41782162 73.2%
ならぬ 2711492 4.8%
ならん 2486657 4.4%
なりません 10102502 17.7% |
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Probably safe. The count for なりません will include false positives. |
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A* 2022-12-23 00:01:07 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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daij, meikyo, DIJG |
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Added sense.
I suggest making ならぬ and ならん (and なりません) search-only so that we can add adj-i tags. ならなかった should be searchable. |
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@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
@@ -12,0 +14,5 @@
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>なりません</reb>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
@@ -16,4 +22,6 @@
-<s_inf>usu. ...てならない or ...でならない</s_inf>
-<gloss>cannot help (doing, etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>cannot resist</gloss>
-<gloss>cannot bear not to</gloss>
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
+<s_inf>as ...てならない</s_inf>
+<gloss>cannot help (feeling)</gloss>
+<gloss>unbearably</gloss>
+<gloss>awfully</gloss>
+<gloss>irresistibly</gloss>
@@ -23 +31,2 @@
-<s_inf>usu. ...てはならない or ...ではならない</s_inf>
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
+<s_inf>as ...てはならない</s_inf>
@@ -29,2 +38,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1632350">なければならない</xref>
-<s_inf>usu. ...なくてはならない, ...なければならない, or ...ねばならない</s_inf>
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
+<s_inf>as ...なくてはならない, ...なければならない, ...ねばならない, etc.</s_inf>
@@ -37 +46 @@
-<gloss>can't</gloss>
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
@@ -39,0 +49,7 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
+<misc>&dated;</misc>
+<s_inf>as ...ではならない</s_inf>
+<gloss>not</gloss> |
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A 2022-12-21 23:15:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I agree. I sort-of suggested dropping it in 2015. |
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@@ -13,3 +12,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>なりません</reb> |
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A* 2022-12-20 13:36:50 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't think なりません belongs here. |
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A 2022-12-20 10:52:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Not a verb. |
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-<gloss>to be unable to</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to</gloss> |
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A* 2022-12-20 08:25:26 Kyle Ong <...address hidden...>
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https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/en/ならない/#je-56678 |
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added definition |
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@@ -36,0 +37,6 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<gloss>can't</gloss>
+<gloss>cannot</gloss>
+<gloss>to be unable to</gloss> |
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A 2018-02-25 04:19:04 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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@@ -36 +36 @@
-<gloss>ought to ....</gloss>
+<gloss>ought to ...</gloss> |
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A 2016-09-12 01:21:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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This entry has been open for over 10 months, and the last comment was 5 months ago, so I'll close it for now.
I was wondering why we have it - I guess its main use is for beginners to look up something like ならん or ならぬ and see they are equivalent to ならない/なりません. Harmless, really. |
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A* 2016-04-20 05:14:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Google n-grams:
てならない 519923 *
でならない 161387 *
てはならない 4713321
ではならない 53306
なくてはならない 2305618 *
なければならない 15755700 *
ねばならない 1511774 *
* = already an entry. |
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I keep looking at this entry and wondering why it is here at all. Apart from (possibly) ならん, all the headwords are just inflections of なる, and it's rather misleading to have them in an entry or entries where they are something else.
I suspect the best thing is to create entries for てはならない and ではならない (the rest of the "usu. ..." are entries already) and drop this one entirely. |
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-<xref type="see" seq="1632350">なければならない</xref> |
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A* 2015-12-09 00:02:13 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams:
ならない 41782162
ならん 2486657
ならぬ 2711492
なりません 10102502 |
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Re the POS, I think the point can be stretched here and the "adj-i" omitted. Splitting seems overkill.
As for なりません, I have problems with it being here as it's often just なる negated, but in text glossing it gets matched with this entry. Here it is mainly associated with sense 3, but なければなりません, etc. is already an entry.
Perhaps an "also なりません" somewhere? |
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@@ -9 +9 @@
-<reb>ならん</reb>
+<reb>ならぬ</reb>
@@ -12 +12 @@
-<reb>ならぬ</reb>
+<reb>ならん</reb>
@@ -31,0 +32,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1632350">なければならない</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1632350">なければならない</xref> |
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A* 2015-12-01 05:44:23 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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the ~ない inflects as an i-adjective. the others clearly do not. should be split? |
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A 2015-12-01 05:42:13 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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kept the reordering and restored なりません for now. i agree that the ZARU form is unnecessary |
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-<reb>ならざる</reb>
+<reb>なりません</reb> |
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A* 2015-11-16 07:48:28 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Maybe this is not needed.
When I suggested this, I had not yet realized that
ざるを得ない / ざるを得ぬ
is a standard phrase. |
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A* 2015-11-14 15:32:55 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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From a short story by 和重阿部:
就寝が遅くならざるを得ぬ暮らしをずっと続けている
Here I think ならざる is a literary form of ならない. |
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reordered
added ならざる
removed なりません (seems unnecessary) |
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@@ -8,0 +9,3 @@
+<reb>ならん</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -12,4 +15 @@
-<reb>ならん</reb>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>なりません</reb>
+<reb>ならざる</reb> |
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A 2011-11-01 10:04:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Fair enough |
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@@ -21,2 +21,2 @@
-<gloss>irresistibly</gloss>
-<gloss>unbearably</gloss>
+<gloss>cannot resist</gloss>
+<gloss>cannot bear not to</gloss> |
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A* 2011-10-31 03:17:34 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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meikyo |
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also ならん and なりません. additional forms for sense 3. i'm not sure i like the adverb glosses in sense 1 |
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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ならん</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>なりません</reb>
@@ -26,1 +32,1 @@
-<s_inf>often neg. て-form + ならない</s_inf>
+<s_inf>usu. ...なくてはならない, ...なければならない, or ...ねばならない</s_inf> |
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A* 2011-10-20 10:03:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5, 新和英中辞典, ルミナス, Daijr |
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Quite difficult to summarize succinctly. |
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@@ -13,0 +13,1 @@
+<s_inf>usu. ...てならない or ...でならない</s_inf>
@@ -19,4 +20,10 @@
-<gloss>must not do</gloss>
-<gloss>bad</gloss>
-<gloss>wrong</gloss>
-<gloss>not good</gloss>
+<s_inf>usu. ...てはならない or ...ではならない</s_inf>
+<gloss>must not ...</gloss>
+<gloss>should not ...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<s_inf>often neg. て-form + ならない</s_inf>
+<gloss>must ...</gloss>
+<gloss>have to ...</gloss>
+<gloss>ought to ....</gloss> |
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A* 2011-10-20 06:30:33 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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"amendment" to this entry submitted as new entry 2664020:
"I don't know all the details, but the old meaning of "cannot help (doing, etc.)" couldn't be verified by a native speaker.
I think the definition of "でならない" may also need to be looked at." |
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opening for consideration |
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A 2011-01-27 11:30:25 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I have aligned the KD entry. |
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A* 2011-01-27 02:27:42 Hendrik
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No change to this ED entry, just to let you know that "Text Glossing" offers a
different (incomplete) definition, which is in most cases unhelpful:
ならない (exp) cannot help ..ing; irresistibly; unbearably; KD
Can the ED entry be given preference before the KD entry? |
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A 2006-06-04 00:00:00
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Entry created |