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って [spec1] [spec1]
1. [prt]
《casual quoting particle》
▶ you said
▶ he said
▶ she said
▶ they said
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1008490 と 4. used for quoting (thoughts, speech, etc.)
  ⇐ see: 2717510 ってのは 1. means; is; as for
2. [prt]
《after a verb in the past tense》
▶ even if
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 2643980 たって 1. even if; even though
3. [prt]
《as in かって; indicates a satirical or rhetorical question》
▶ do you seriously think that
4. [prt]
《indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.》
▶ I already told you
▶ you should know by now that
▶ of course
5. [prt]
《abbr. of という》
▶ the said ...
▶ said ...
6. [prt]
《abbr. of と言っている》
▶ says that ...
7. [prt]
《abbr. of と聞いている》
▶ I hear that ...
8. [prt]
《abbr. of とは, というのは》
▶ as for the term ...
9. [prt]
《equiv. of は topic marker》
▶ as for ...

32. A 2022-09-09 06:47:42  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
31. A* 2022-09-07 08:45:22  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
I really don't think we can expect our users to understand that "as たって" (or "as ~たって") is supposed to refer to a verb in the past tense +って. I think we should be explicit.

Also, I think we should get rid of the たって entry, even if it's in the kokugos. I don't think it makes sense in a wa-ei dictionary. I'd much rather we covered that use here. I don't think anybody encountering [past tense verb]+って is likely to arrive at that entry rather than this one.

I think "indicates supposition" was a bad take (it was mine).
@@ -24,2 +24,2 @@
-<s_inf>as in たって, etc.; indicates supposition</s_inf>
-<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+<s_inf>after a verb in the past tense</s_inf>
+<gloss>even if</gloss>
30. A* 2022-09-06 00:17:18  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
Emphasizing that たって is an example of this use of って. Does this work for you? Feel free to amend.
@@ -24 +24 @@
-<s_inf>as たって; indicates supposition</s_inf>
+<s_inf>as in たって, etc.; indicates supposition</s_inf>
@@ -29 +29 @@
-<s_inf>as かって; indicates a satirical or rhetorical question</s_inf>
+<s_inf>as in かって; indicates a satirical or rhetorical question</s_inf>
29. A* 2022-09-05 09:56:11  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
sense 2 "as たって" seems to miss the mark to me. it's not たって its past tense verb +って.
28. A 2020-10-14 01:42:22  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
OK. I'll put it back and reference the たって entry.
@@ -22,0 +23,6 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2643980">たって・1</xref>
+<s_inf>as たって; indicates supposition</s_inf>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
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