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A 2022-08-01 04:18:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Add POS to proverbs
-*- via bulkupd.py -*- |
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+<pos>&v5r-i;</pos> |
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A 2014-05-11 00:10:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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There are currently 19 entries with the "proverb" tag, of which about half end with a verb. None have verb PoS tags. As I said earlier, I don't mind having them, but it's not a big issue, and prefer to be consistent. |
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A* 2014-05-08 09:32:34 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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isn't this somewhat different from English usage though? You
can stitch together sentences in English with an "and", but
in Japanese, you might use the -て form not to change the
tense or mood but to add another sentence/clause. I mean,
again, there are actual examples of this precise usage: "より
強い者(身分の高い者)が弱い者を虐げるが、上には上があって、その搾取と虐げの
構造がピラミッド状に続いている、というのです。"
http://www1a.biglobe.ne.jp/fujigaoka-
church/biblestudy/ecclesia5.7.19.html
It seems like a (small) waste to not pick up on that (for
browser plugins like "rikaichan" etc.) |
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A 2013-10-04 11:56:50 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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While I am quite relaxed about having a verb-ending proverb tagged with the verb class, I can see Rene's point. We can say " stitch in time saved nine" in an appropriate circumstance, but we'd never decalre it to be something that is usually conjugated.
I think it's safest and cleanest to drop the verb type. |
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-<pos>&v5r-i;</pos> |
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A* 2013-10-01 04:03:19 Marcus Richert
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Not sure why conjugating a proverb would make it less of a
proverb.
proverb -
"a short pithy saying in general use, stating a general
truth or piece of advice."
"a short, memorable, and often highly condensed saying
embodying, esp with bold imagery, some commonplace fact or
experience"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proverb
the imagery is still the same, the commonplace fact/piece of
advice is the same, the proverb is still recognizable. |
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A* 2013-10-01 02:44:00 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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right. i didn't say this didn't conjugate, i said 'proverbs don't conjugate' (i.e. one wouldn't normally say "a bird in the hand was worth two in the bush", and if one did, that wouldn't be a proverbial usage, it would be a statement of fact). if this conjugates, then it probably shouldn't be marked as a proverb |
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A* 2013-09-26 02:03:34 Marcus Richert
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doesn't it? you could conjugate it like 上には上があって (1690
hits on b, none on ngram) or "上には上があった" (6,260 b, 0
ngram)... these won't get picked up by automatic readers
without the conjugation information |
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A* 2013-09-25 22:18:12 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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proverbs don't conjugate, so this shouldn't have both [v5r-i] and [proverb] |
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A* 2013-09-25 06:11:12 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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@@ -16,1 +16,1 @@
-<misc>&id;</misc>
+<misc>&proverb;</misc> |
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A 2012-11-13 00:25:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2012-11-08 14:41:57 Marcus Richert
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daijs
"うぬぼれや欲望を戒める言葉" |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>上には上がある</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -12,0 +15,1 @@
+<pos>&v5r-i;</pos>
@@ -13,1 +17,2 @@
-<gloss>Greatness is comparative</gloss>
+<gloss>greatness is comparative</gloss>
+<gloss>there is always someone better than you</gloss> |
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A 2008-11-21 00:00:00
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Entry created |