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A 2022-07-22 04:25:33 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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+<field>&cards;</field> |
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A 2022-07-20 21:24:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2022-07-20 14:48:47 Opencooper
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G n-grams:
切りのいいところ 3,446
きりのいいところ 6,972
キリのいいところ 10,247
切りがない 28,364
きりがない 278,404
キリがない 273,874 |
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The first two senses at least seem to be and are [uk] at our 「切りのいい」 and 「切りがない」 entries. Could also add the katakana here. |
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@@ -28,0 +29 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -35,0 +37 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2022-07-20 09:13:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Either way, it's a mess. Best left as it is.
I see there are no example sentences using 切り. There are 5 with きり linked here, and they are for senses 7 and 8. I see GG5 has all its examples with just きり. A possible [uk]? |
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A* 2022-07-19 10:38:01 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Merging with っきり would break the 2/3 rule. But we could still have a separate きり/ぎり entry for those senses. |
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A* 2022-07-19 03:51:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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koj's note before its last 2 senses:
(副助詞。名詞キリから。ッキリ・ギリとも) |
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I've said this before but I'm not a fan of notes that apply to multiple (yet not all) senses.
We could split off the last 3 senses and place it with っきり (and also add ぎり) |
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-<s_inf>senses 8-10 are sometimes pronounced ぎり, esp. in old-fashioned speech</s_inf>
+<s_inf>sometimes pronounced ぎり</s_inf>
@@ -77 +77 @@
-<s_inf>usu. in a negative sentence</s_inf>
+<s_inf>usu. in a negative sentence; sometimes pronounced ぎり</s_inf>
@@ -83,0 +84 @@
+<s_inf>sometimes pronounced ぎり</s_inf> |
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A 2022-07-19 00:30:29 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2022-07-18 21:33:12 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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gg5, daij |
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Tidy-up. |
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@@ -31 +31 @@
-<gloss>stop</gloss>
+<gloss>place to stop</gloss>
@@ -36,3 +36,3 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1383840">切りのない</xref>
-<gloss>bounds</gloss>
-<gloss>limits</gloss>
+<gloss>bound</gloss>
+<gloss>limit</gloss>
+<gloss>end</gloss>
@@ -40,0 +41,2 @@
+<stagk>限り</stagk>
+<stagk>限</stagk>
@@ -42 +44 @@
-<s_inf>esp. 限り,限</s_inf>
+<field>&finc;</field>
@@ -60 +61,0 @@
-<pos>&suf;</pos>
@@ -63 +64 @@
-<gloss>counter for cuts (e.g. fish, meat)</gloss>
+<gloss>counter for cuts (of fish, meat, etc.)</gloss>
@@ -67 +68 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っ切り・っきり・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っきり・1</xref>
@@ -77 +78 @@
-<gloss>since</gloss>
+<gloss>(ever) since</gloss>
@@ -82,0 +84 @@
+<gloss>continuously</gloss> |
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A 2022-07-17 11:46:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Two senses were added so this note was out of sync. The whole entry is a bit chaotic. |
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-<s_inf>senses 6-8 are sometimes pronounced ぎり, esp. in old-fashioned speech</s_inf>
+<s_inf>senses 8-10 are sometimes pronounced ぎり, esp. in old-fashioned speech</s_inf> |
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A* 2022-07-17 06:07:09 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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(koj does have it; ⑥天正カルタで、武将をかたどった最後の12の札。) |
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A* 2022-07-17 05:48:42 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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nikk
１２ カルタ、トランプ遊びなどの切り札。
https://sudare10.gokenin.com/room/mein/mein-top.html
１２の札は、初期の呼び名ははっきりと確認されていませんが、同じくポルトガル語の「レイ(rei)」が使用されていたらしき痕跡が有ります。延宝期(1673-1681)以降には「切きり」と呼ばれています。 |
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oddly nikk doesn't have this (despite having ソータ and 馬 for the two lower-ranking court cards in mekuri karuta) |
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+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>trump card</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>king (court card; in mekuri karuta and unsun karuta)</gloss> |
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A 2020-01-03 05:18:50 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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see rejected modification to 切 |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>切</keb>
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf> |
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A 2018-02-22 10:51:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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-<gloss>end of an act (in joruri or kabuki)</gloss>
+<gloss>end of an act (in jōruri or kabuki)</gloss> |
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A 2014-12-10 20:08:55 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2014-12-09 20:32:56 Curtis Naito <...address hidden...>
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Dictionary of Japanese Particles by Sue Kawashima pages 74-75 |
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+<gloss>after</gloss> |
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A 2013-03-14 20:55:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, clearing this issue. |
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A* 2013-03-12 22:34:37 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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No response after 9 days. I'll drop it soon. |
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A* 2013-03-04 23:51:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Can't find that in any reference. Have you any examples? |
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A* 2013-03-04 23:41:25
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Hi, I understand this can also mean the same as 限目 (in the sense of counting periods in school). |
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A 2011-09-06 01:13:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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@@ -51,1 +51,1 @@
-<gloss>cut (e.g. of fish, of meat)</gloss>
+<gloss>counter for cuts (e.g. fish, meat)</gloss> |
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A* 2011-09-05 13:16:47 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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大辞林 |
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Regarding counter:
* Specified “slightly thick”, as per 大辞林 – AFAICT, 枚 is used for thinner ones (but not sure)
* Add “cut” wording
* Give examples (cuts of fish, cuts of meat)
* Remove [arch]
I saw this at the スーパー today for cuts of fish (“cuts” seems the most idiomatic translation); maybe it’s a bit dated or varies regionally, but it’s certainly in current use. |
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-<misc>&arch;</misc>
-<gloss>counter for slices</gloss>
+<gloss>counter for slices (esp. thick slices)</gloss>
+<gloss>cut (e.g. of fish, of meat)</gloss> |
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A 2010-07-29 12:47:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-07-29 10:11:03 Paul Blay <...address hidden...>
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I think handling (2) with x-refs would be more useful than the note. |
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-<s_inf>often as 切りがない,切りのない</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1383810">切りがない</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1383840">切りのない</xref> |
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A* 2010-07-29 08:09:49 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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@@ -48,0 +48,1 @@
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
@@ -54,0 +55,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っ切り・っきり</xref>
@@ -55,1 +57,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っ切り・っきり</xref> |
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A* 2010-07-29 08:02:32 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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koj, daijr, daijs, prog, nc, meikyo |
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i don't see a good way of handling ぎり other than a note (could get its own entry, or otherwise reading restrictions are needed on the first five senses) |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>限り</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>限</keb>
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
@@ -18,0 +25,22 @@
+<gloss>end</gloss>
+<gloss>finish</gloss>
+<gloss>stop</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>often as 切りがない,切りのない</s_inf>
+<gloss>bounds</gloss>
+<gloss>limits</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>esp. 限り,限</s_inf>
+<gloss>delivery date (of a futures contract)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>finale (of a noh song)</gloss>
+<gloss>end of an act (in joruri or kabuki)</gloss>
+<gloss>final performance of the day (in vaudeville)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
@@ -19,0 +48,4 @@
+<misc>&arch;</misc>
+<gloss>counter for slices</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
@@ -20,7 +53,4 @@
-<gloss>limits</gloss>
-<gloss>end</gloss>
-<gloss>bounds</gloss>
-<gloss>period</gloss>
-<gloss>place to leave off</gloss>
-<gloss>closing sentence</gloss>
-<gloss>all there is</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っ切り・っきり・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2253310">っ切り・っきり</xref>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<s_inf>senses 6-8 are sometimes pronounced ぎり, esp. in old-fashioned speech</s_inf>
@@ -28,0 +58,6 @@
+<gloss>just</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<s_inf>usu. in a negative sentence</s_inf>
@@ -30,0 +66,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>remaining (in a particular state)</gloss>
+</sense> |