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A 2022-03-31 06:18:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<re_nokanji/> |
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A* 2022-03-31 04:23:31
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It's often used in katakana like other words traditionally in hiragana |
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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>モノ</reb> |
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A 2019-07-09 21:32:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2019-07-09 20:34:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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感動もの 160564
感動物 29746 |
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+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -61 +62 @@
-<gloss>work of ...</gloss>
+<gloss>work in the genre of ...</gloss> |
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A 2019-03-28 02:44:47 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Give up for now. |
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A* 2019-03-10 05:56:15 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Note to self to try and do something about
sense 6 later (please leave open) |
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A 2015-08-25 10:20:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2015-08-18 08:08:20 luce
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n-grams
物 2378873
もの 14313354
もん 1170323 |
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more senses than just this one (6) are [uk] but I can't quite tell which ones. |
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+<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2013-03-31 00:41:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I think the work that led to the "news" tags didn't cope too well with single kanji. |
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A* 2013-03-30 23:38:48 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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daijr, prog |
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sense 6 becomes something of a poop heap for the formal noun uses, but i think it's still tidier than creating separate senses for each |
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@@ -33,4 +33,0 @@
-<gloss>quality</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -42,0 +38,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>quality</gloss>
@@ -52,0 +52,3 @@
+<gloss>used to indicate a common occurrence in the past (after a verb in past tense)</gloss>
+<gloss>used to indicate a general tendency</gloss>
+<gloss>used to indicate something that should happen</gloss> |
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A* 2013-03-30 23:21:19 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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also, out of curiosity, how on earth did this entry end up without news tags? |
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A* 2013-03-30 22:51:08 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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@@ -55,2 +55,2 @@
-<gloss>item classified as …</gloss>
-<gloss>item related to …</gloss>
+<gloss>item classified as ...</gloss>
+<gloss>item related to ...</gloss>
@@ -61,1 +61,1 @@
-<gloss>cause of …</gloss>
+<gloss>cause of ...</gloss> |
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A* 2013-03-30 22:50:12 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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mostly gg5, prog, nc, but all sources consulted |
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particle sense does not belong here. adding a new entry for もの as kana |
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-<s_inf>usually not もん</s_inf>
@@ -20,0 +19,3 @@
+<gloss>article</gloss>
+<gloss>stuff</gloss>
+<gloss>substance</gloss>
@@ -23,3 +25,5 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<gloss>natural thing</gloss>
-<gloss>frequently done thing</gloss>
+<s_inf>as 〜のもの, 〜のもん</s_inf>
+<gloss>one's things</gloss>
+<gloss>possessions</gloss>
+<gloss>property</gloss>
+<gloss>belongings</gloss>
@@ -29,3 +33,1 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<s_inf>often in the form …ものだ</s_inf>
-<gloss>used to express emotional involvement</gloss>
+<gloss>quality</gloss>
@@ -35,2 +37,5 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<gloss>used in giving a reason</gloss>
+<gloss>things</gloss>
+<gloss>something</gloss>
+<gloss>anything</gloss>
+<gloss>everything</gloss>
+<gloss>nothing</gloss>
@@ -39,0 +44,22 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>reason</gloss>
+<gloss>the way of things</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>formal noun often used as 〜ものだ</s_inf>
+<gloss>used to emphasize emotion, judgment, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
+<gloss>item classified as …</gloss>
+<gloss>item related to …</gloss>
+<gloss>work of ...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
+<gloss>cause of …</gloss>
+<gloss>cause for ...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<stagr>もの</stagr>
@@ -41,1 +68,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1615950">物静か・ものしずか</xref>
@@ -47,0 +73,1 @@
+<stagr>もの</stagr> |
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A* 2013-03-29 13:54:37 winnie <...address hidden...>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_particles#mono.2Fmon
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/genericnouns |
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One sense I don't see here is the use of もの/もん as a mostly feminine sentence-ending particle, adding some element of emphasis. I've included a couple reference links where it's mentioned. Perhaps it is an extension of sense 3. |
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A 2012-07-20 23:36:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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-<gloss>the natural thing</gloss>
-<gloss>a frequently done thing</gloss>
+<gloss>natural thing</gloss>
+<gloss>frequently done thing</gloss> |
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A* 2012-07-03 21:39:36 Paul Upchurch <...address hidden...>
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daij |
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Adding use as a prefix.
I believe the emphasizing sense you're looking for is sense 3. Examples from daijr/s include 「二人とも大きくなったものだ」「あの難関をよくくぐり抜けたものだ」. I'm tempted to add "or admiration" or "or emphasis" to the end of sense 3, but I'll see what the other editors think. |
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+<s_inf>often in the form …ものだ</s_inf>
@@ -37,0 +38,14 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&pref;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1664310">物寂しい・ものさびしい</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1615950">物静か・ものしずか</xref>
+<gloss>somehow</gloss>
+<gloss>somewhat</gloss>
+<gloss>for some reason</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&pref;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1502700">物珍しい・ものめずらしい</xref>
+<gloss>really</gloss>
+<gloss>truly</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A* 2012-07-02 12:46:25 Francis
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I have not amended the above, but following on from previous comments, I am thinking that this entry should include a note about its use as a prefix and a sentence ending.
The site includes many examples of where "もの" is used as a prefix, e.g., "somewhat" this or that [物哀れ 【ものあわれ】 (adj-na) (See 哀れ・2) somewhat pitiful ], but if the main entry above had the intented meaning it would make clearer its use as a prefix. [As a matter of incidental interest, on the topic of prefixes, suffixes and words sandwiched between the main word and a suffix, e.g., "だれよりも" and "何本か" I am pleased to see so many examples of expressions prefixed by "もの" because it is very helpful. I would be very disappointed to see them deleted on the basis that the meaning was obvious; in much the same tone as I would be happy to see the inclusion of as many as possible of those like "だれよりも" and "何本か".]
As for "もの" as a sentence ending, my understand is that it is simply an emphasizer. Should that be its main purpose, then that inclusion in the main headword above would again be helpful. |
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A 2012-06-23 07:22:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I think it is just sense 1 with various other words in front of it being used prenominally. Many of them are just cases of a missing の, which often happens. There are good lists of single-kanji suffixes, e.g. Timothy Vance's book, and 物 is not on them.
"レイプ物" - 279k
"レイプの物" - 485k |
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-<sense>
-<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
-<gloss>thing</gloss>
-</sense> |
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A* 2012-06-22 13:57:53 Marcus
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"ファン感涙もの!"
http://alfalfalfa.com/archives/5615346.html
"感動もの" 1,990,000 results
"僕を感動させてください。※ 感動ものを集めたサイトの紹介だけはＮＧです。"
http://q.hatena.ne.jp/1180687765
”レイプもの" 262,000 results
"レイプ物のＡＶは犯罪ではないのですか？"
http://okwave.jp/qa/q4106639.html |
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maybe I should have just added "n-suf" to sense 1 instead? |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>thing</gloss>
+</sense> |