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R 2021-12-30 06:04:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Seems we do. |
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A* 2021-12-29 20:17:52 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Loanwords aren't regarded as gikun. None of our 90+ gikun entries are loanwords. I'd leave this as it was. |
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A* 2021-12-29 00:56:55 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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ビール IS a gikun reading of 麦酒, isn't it? (in ref to the reverted suggestion) |
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@@ -9,0 +10,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ビール</reb>
+<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>
+</r_ele>
@@ -14 +17,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2796520">ビール</xref>
@@ -16 +18,0 @@
-<s_inf>sometimes read ビール</s_inf> |
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A 2013-08-12 22:57:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Done. |
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A* 2013-08-12 22:44:49 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i'm fine with it. split |
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@@ -10,27 +10,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビール</reb>
-<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>
-<re_pri>gai1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビア</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-<re_pri>gai1</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビヤ</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビヤー</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビーア</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ビアー</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
@@ -39,0 +12,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2796520">ビール</xref>
@@ -40,1 +14,1 @@
-<s_inf>ビール from Dutch, ビア, etc. from English</s_inf>
+<s_inf>sometimes read ビール</s_inf> |
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A* 2013-08-12 12:31:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Revisiting this after 2+ years, I feel it really is an ugly entry, and would be better off split into:
(a) 麦酒/ばくしゅ xref to ビール, etc. note "sometimes read ビール"
(b) ビール/ビア/ビヤ xref to 麦酒 note "ビール sometimes written 麦酒"
Daijirin's "「麦酒」とも書く" is probably not a strong enough signal to justify a merge.
What do others think two years on? |
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-<lsource xml:lang="dut">bier</lsource>
+<s_inf>ビール from Dutch, ビア, etc. from English</s_inf> |
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A* 2013-08-10 07:23:28 Marcus Richert
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ビア, ビヤ etc. are from English, not Dutch...
not to mention ばくしゅ |
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A 2011-05-25 00:08:33 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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okay |
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A* 2011-05-24 22:52:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I've put "gikun" on just ビール as I made the others "nokanji", really to keep it a bit simpler. Yes the lsrc really only applies to ビール, etc. but there's no way to tie it to just one reading. I think the many is clear anyway. |
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@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf> |
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A* 2011-05-24 22:31:40 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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should all the katakana readings be getting [gikun] tags? also, the
[lsrc=dut:bier] obviously doesn't apply to ばくしゅ |
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A* 2011-05-24 22:27:59 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Koj, Daij. |
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Bringing in 麦酒 as a headword really requires a merge with 麦酒/ばくしゅ. I'd be inclined to keep it with 麦酒 just in the comment, if it wasn't for Daijirin's "〔 「麦酒」 とも書く〕 " on its ビール entry. Let's see how the merge looks.
Daijirin for ばくしゅ has an extra sense: "麦を醸造した酒の総称". That sounds awfully like beer to me. Koj is less ambiguous: "麦をかもした酒、すなわちビール。" |
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@@ -7,0 +7,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ばくしゅ</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -14,0 +17,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -18,0 +22,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -21,0 +26,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -24,0 +30,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -27,0 +34,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -30,1 +38,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1476190">麦酒・ばくしゅ</xref> |
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A* 2011-05-24 14:11:03 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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Move kanji usage note to kanji field, add [uk] (since this is, in fact, sometimes written as kanji). |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>麦酒</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -27,2 +30,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1476190">麦酒</xref>
-<s_inf>also written as 麦酒</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1476190">麦酒・ばくしゅ</xref>
+<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2010-12-23 11:09:24 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-12-23 08:05:28 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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nikk |
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@@ -16,0 +16,9 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ビヤー</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ビーア</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ビアー</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -19,0 +28,1 @@
+<s_inf>also written as 麦酒</s_inf> |