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A 2021-12-01 01:38:27 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
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+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2014-03-08 06:35:39 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2014-03-08 00:36:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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http://climbingfx.jugem.jp/?day=20130121
http://equipment.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2013/10/post-4701.html
(pages using the kanji versions.) |
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There is a small number of pages using the kanji forms, so I guess they should be added. We have 此れ迄/此れまで (uk) in the これまで entry. |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>此れまでで</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>此れ迄で</keb>
+</k_ele>
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+<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2014-03-07 01:10:17 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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+<xref type="see" seq="2810800">今までで・いままでで</xref> |
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A 2014-03-07 01:07:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Tempted to add 此れまでで, but it's pretty rare. |
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A* 2014-03-07 00:06:13 Jacopo Tedeschi <...address hidden...>
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Sorry, I'll be more careful and separate them from the start next time... |
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A* 2014-03-06 20:54:44 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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eijiro |
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those two entries have entirely different headwords and readings. they cannot be merged |
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-<k_ele>
-<keb>今までで</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>これまでで</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>いままでで</reb>
-</r_ele>
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-<pos>&adv;</pos>
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-<gloss>As of now (used in superlative clauses together with 一番, 最も, 最悪, etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>until this moment and also now</gloss>
+<s_inf>usu. used in superlative clauses together with 一番, 最も, 最悪, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss>to date</gloss>
+<gloss>as of now</gloss> |
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A* 2014-03-06 19:23:17 Jacopo Tedeschi <...address hidden...>
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mistype: added "in" |
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-<gloss>As of now (used superlative clauses together with 一番, 最も, 最悪, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>As of now (used in superlative clauses together with 一番, 最も, 最悪, etc.)</gloss> |
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A* 2014-03-06 19:21:53 Jacopo Tedeschi <...address hidden...>
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これまでで, 443,000 hits on google
https://www.google.it/search?q=これまでで&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=ctrl&ei=pcUYU8mgFYze8gfS9YHwBg&gws_rd=cr#channel=sb&q="これまでで"&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
今までで、662,000 hits on google
https://www.google.it/search?q=今までで&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=ctrl&ei=pcUYU8mgFYze8gfS9YHwBg&gws_rd=cr#channel=sb&q="今までで"&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
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Lit. "until now, and also now" (with a slight reference we don't know how it will be in the future)
The exp. is not the same with これまで or 今まで, and the meaning differs deeply. It is always used together with superlative adverbs.
It does not appears in Japanese Dictionary as it is a phrase made out of simple grammar structures, however such structures are especially hard to understand for foreigners (as cognition of time in Japanese and other languages differs deeply) and I believe it should be indicated as a separate entry in a good Japanese-English Dictionary. Moreover the way this two phrases always come inside superlative clauses is very peculiar.
ex.
「今までで一番やさしい経済の教科書。」
「今までで最も失礼だった日本人。」
「これまでで最も完璧な試合。」 |