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A 2021-07-12 07:37:25 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Almost all the 98 sentences are for the "word" sense. I've fixed the indices. |
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A* 2021-07-12 00:13:06 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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gg5, prog, daij |
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I think the "word" sense should lead.
All the JEs have "speech". It's a separate sense in daijs. |
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@@ -18,0 +19,6 @@
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
+<gloss>word</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
@@ -23,3 +29 @@
-<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
-<pos>&ctr;</pos>
-<gloss>word</gloss>
+<gloss>speech</gloss> |
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A 2020-04-24 01:11:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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No. When it's both a n/n-suf and a ctr we omit the "counter for". |
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-<gloss>counter for words</gloss>
+<gloss>word</gloss> |
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A* 2020-04-23 12:32:26 Nicolas Maia
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Isn't this the usual format? |
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@@ -25 +25 @@
-<gloss>word</gloss>
+<gloss>counter for words</gloss> |
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A* 2020-04-20 23:41:29 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopen. |
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A 2020-04-20 23:40:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I agree. A bit over-enthusiastic. Since the counter sense aligns with a noun/n-suf sense, I'll put the tag there (as we have in entries such as 双, 束, 男, 度, etc.)
I'll close this and re-open both for any further discussion, and to remind me that I possibly should raise an issue about the tagging of "ctr" entries. |
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+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
@@ -26,4 +26,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&ctr;</pos>
-<gloss>counter for words and languages</gloss>
-</sense> |
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A* 2020-04-20 20:58:45 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I've only ever seen ヶ国語 used for languages. |
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A* 2020-04-20 12:15:15 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Is it really a counter for languages as well? (as opposed to just for words) |
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A* 2020-04-20 11:43:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/japanese-counters-list/ - 350 counters from Ida Asako's "日本の助数詞に親しむ" (https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4809414140/) |
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I've been very reluctant to tag things as "ctr" without good backing from kokugos and the like. 語 and 駅 don't get mentioned there. Looking at this a bit further, I notice that the tofugu.com site has a big page on counters based on Ida Asako's book. Surprise, surprise both 語 and 駅 are on it. I don't know how authoritative that is, but on the basis of that, I'd be comfortable with tagging them both. |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
+<gloss>counter for words and languages</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A* 2020-04-20 04:43:07 Nicolas Maia
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This was also proposed over at 駅 but Jim resisted because it wasn't on counter lists. But if it's used as a counter, shouldn't it be tagged as a counter? |
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A* 2020-04-20 03:23:24 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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http://lovehallo.fc2web.com/zatsuwa2/9.html
"英語の表現で、1語で表記するのか、それとも2語なのか、迷ってしまうことはないですか？" |
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語 is definitely commonly used in this way, but I'm not really sure what our basis for including [ctr] are. We don't have 駅 down as a
[ctr], for instance. |
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-<sense>
-<pos>&ctr;</pos>
-<gloss>counter for words</gloss>
-<gloss>counter for languages</gloss>
-</sense> |
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A* 2020-04-19 00:06:50 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I can't see in that newspaper article any case where I think it's being used as a counter (note: the sentence "約３万２８００語がアルファベット順に収録されている" is not counter usage.)
To add a counter sense for this entry we'd need good support from Japanese dictionaries, not a single article in a newspaper. |
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A* 2020-04-18 10:27:15 Nicolas Maia
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https://www.nikkeyshimbun.jp/2020/200418-21colonia.html |
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Gloss 2 for sense 3 is presumed |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
+<gloss>counter for words</gloss>
+<gloss>counter for languages</gloss>
+</sense> |