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って言うか
【っていうか；ってゆうか；ってゆーか (nokanji) 】

[exp,conj] [col,uk]
▶ or rather (say)
▶ or better (say)
▶ or perhaps I should say
▶ or, how should I put it
▶ I mean

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2206220 と言うか 1. or rather (say); or better (say); or perhaps I should say; or, how should I put it; I mean

History:

17.	A 2021-03-16 11:58:36 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I think one x-ref is enough.
	Diff:	@@ -20,2 +20 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2206220">と言うか・というか</xref> -<xref type="see" seq="2848596">て言うか・ていうか</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2206220">と言うか</xref>
16.	A* 2021-03-16 04:16:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
15.	A 2021-03-16 04:15:58 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ってゆーか 231740
	Comments:	OK, I'll add the extra forms, bring it back to one sense and split it into two entries. I'll approve and reopen.
	Diff:	@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>って言うか</keb> +</k_ele> @@ -11 +14,2 @@ -<reb>てゆーか</reb> +<reb>ってゆーか</reb> +<re_nokanji/> @@ -13,0 +18 @@ +<pos>&exp;</pos> @@ -15 +20,2 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2206220">と言うか</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2206220">と言うか・というか</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2848596">て言うか・ていうか</xref> @@ -16,0 +23 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -21,5 +27,0 @@ -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>∫</pos> -<xref type="see" seq="2446920">ていうか</xref> -<misc>&col;</misc> @@ -27 +28,0 @@ -<gloss>rather</gloss>
14.	A* 2021-03-13 17:52:23 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I agree that ていうか shouldn't be on its own. But if we're adding kanji, I think we need a separate entry for the って forms so as not to break the 2/3 rule. I believe there's only one sense.
13.	A* 2021-03-13 05:01:17 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ていうか 1867855 - [2446920] ていうか (exp) I mean っていうか 3845203 - this entry ってゆうか 161353 - this entry てゆーか 589219 - this entry てゆうか 189933 - not (yet) in an entry て言うか 150951 - not (yet) in an entry って言うか 727699 - not (yet) in an entry (って言う is [2757880)
	Comments:	Re these terms: - clearly てゆうか, て言うか and って言うか need to be added somewhere. They could go here where we already have the related ってゆうか and てゆーか - should we split those starting with っ into their own entry (just asking - I don't have a problem with them here.) - I really can't see why ていうか should be on its own, with てゆーか and (potentially) てゆうか and て言うか here. One sense or two? I think Robin is saying just one.
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12.	A* 2021-03-12 02:49:58 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	↓ me
11.	A* 2021-03-12 02:49:40
	Refs:	I agree. (というか has a "or rather" gloss)
10.	A* 2021-03-11 23:43:39 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	That looks like sense 1 to me. Conjunctions can appear at the start of a sentence.
	Diff:	@@ -20 +20 @@ -<gloss>or, how should I put it,...</gloss> +<gloss>or, how should I put it</gloss>
9.	A* 2021-03-11 01:35:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Tanaka: 「っていうか、あなたは誰なの！？」床に転がっている俺は無視して、伊織はその少女を問いただしていた。 Rather - who the heck are you?! Iori enquired of the girl, ignoring my form rolling around on the floor.
	Comments:	Not always a "conj". Maybe it's time to consider the merge suggested for 2446920.
	Diff:	@@ -20,0 +21,5 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>∫</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="2446920">ていうか</xref> +<misc>&col;</misc> @@ -21,0 +27 @@ +<gloss>rather</gloss>
8.	A 2021-02-16 02:26:53 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ってゆうか 161353 っていうか 3845203 てゆーか　 589219
	Comments:	splitting.
	Diff:	@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>っていうか</reb> +</r_ele> @@ -8,12 +10,0 @@ -<reb>っていうか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>っつーか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>っつうか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>つーか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> @@ -21,9 +11,0 @@ -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>ってか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>てか</reb> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>つか</reb>
7.	A* 2021-02-12 03:12:35 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ってゆうか 161353 っていうか 3845203 っつーか 435618 っつうか 98140 つーか 3056963 てゆーか 589219 ってゆーか 231740 ってか 4029900 てか 5653543 つか 7565551 つうか 678769 っちゅうか 51629 ちゅうか 119912 ちゅーか 144883 っちゅーか 38034
	Comments:	You forgot ってゆーか! Yes, splitting it up into groups like that will reduce the mess. Please do it and self-approve. Not sure about ってか/てか/つか.
6.	A* 2021-02-10 07:47:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	https://japanknowledge.com/articles/blognihongo/entry.html?entryid=180 『明鏡国語辞典』では、「というか（と言うか）」という項目の解説の中で、そのくだけた表現として「っていうか」「っちゅうか」「てか」とともに「つうか」も挙げている。 so we could add these to this entry as well: つうかっちゅうかちゅうかちゅーか　っちゅーか
	Comments:	I suggest we split this up into 4 different entries. 1. long て's: っていうかってゆうかてゆーか 2. short て's てかってか 2. つ's: つーかつうか etc. 3. ちゅ's: ちゅうかちゅーか
5.	A 2019-07-06 11:55:52 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I agree with Rene.
4.	A* 2019-07-05 22:45:03
	Refs:	https://i.redd.it/ltavvd5qif831.jpg "つか、ここは日本なんだから日本だけ使えや！"
	Diff:	@@ -27,0 +28,3 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>つか</reb> +</r_ele>
3.	A 2011-08-28 18:41:59 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	what a hideous entry
2.	A* 2011-08-28 12:30:23 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	てか also found (as v. informal version: と → って → て, and drop the いう).
	Diff:	@@ -25,0 +25,3 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>てか</reb> +</r_ele>
1.	A 2006-12-21 00:00:00
	Comments:	Entry created

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