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A 2020-12-13 11:55:11 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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closing this
I will look more into these notes and then start a thread on the mail list |
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A* 2020-12-13 06:32:15 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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I just checked. We are a bit inconsistent. "also written as XXX" and "also written XXX" are common, but there are some "also XXX".
There are 172 comments like this (comments that begin with "also") so cleaning up would not be too much work. |
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A* 2020-12-13 06:18:16 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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our usual style is "also written as ..." or "also read as ..."
having a tag for this, as Marcus suggests, would be useful for app and website developers |
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-<s_inf>also 西蔵</s_inf>
+<s_inf>also written as 西蔵</s_inf> |
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A* 2020-12-13 04:29:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't mind the split. Having せいぞう come before チベット seems obviously not a great idea.
Should the note be "also written as..." rather than just "also..."?
(one way to standardize this better across entries could be to have a <s_inf inf_type="alsowrittenas">西蔵</s_inf> type of thing. in
shorthand, [awa="西蔵"]) |
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A* 2020-12-13 03:52:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A 2020-12-13 03:52:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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We had a long argument about this is 2012 and eventually I gave in. I'd prefer them split. and the "UK" point is a good one, as the frequency stage certainly only applies to チベット. Daijr/s have "「西蔵」とも書く" on their チベット entries.
I'll approve this and reopen it, as otherwise the xrefs may get scrambled. |
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-<k_ele>
-<keb>西蔵</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>西藏</keb>
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>せいぞう</reb>
-</r_ele>
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-<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<s_inf>also 西蔵</s_inf> |
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A* 2020-12-12 16:22:48 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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チベット is [uk]
I suspect that せいぞう isn't (why would it?)
That could be a formal justification for splitting |
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A* 2020-12-12 12:25:37 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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daijr/s, koj |
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Given that no one calls Tibet "せいぞう" any more, I think せいぞう should be a separate entry. It looks odd having せいぞう as the main reading. |
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+<keb>西蔵</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
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+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2012-04-28 01:00:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I yield. |
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A* 2012-04-27 15:46:03 Marcus
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both daijr and daijs add "〔「西蔵」とも書く〕" at the bottom of
their entries for チベット, without even providing the
alternative reading せいぞう |
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A* 2012-04-27 09:47:51 Marcus
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"一方、日本語では戦前から長く西蔵とチベットはほとんど同義であるかのようにして用
いられてきており[3]、「チベット自治区」と「西蔵自治区（チベットじちく、シーツァン
じちく、などの読みが見られる）」という二つの呼称が平行して使用されてきた。"
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/チベッ�%
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lots of discussion about it here, too:
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:チベ�
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"日本では、「西蔵」と書いて「チベット」と読みをふる習慣が、明治の末にチベット入
りした河口慧海以来行われており、日本のチベット学の専門家たちが組織する学会が、
「日本西藏学会（にほん-ちべっと-がっかい）」などと名乗っています"
"（なお、世界最大の漢和辞典といってよい諸橋轍次『大漢和辞典』（刊行は1955
年から1960年にかけて）では、西蔵をチベットと音訳するのは「甚だ妙なこと」であ
り、「英漢両用の変則呼称」であると違和感を表明している）" |
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A* 2012-04-27 08:34:26 Marcus
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/西蔵
"日本の多田等観(1890-1967)は、西蔵を「チベット」と読み、アムドやカムの全域をふ
くむ全チベットの総称として使用している。以下、多田等観「西蔵事情」（多田明子・山口
瑞鳳編『多田等観:チベット大蔵経にかけた生涯』春秋社、2005年8月、pp.217-
355）より引用。" |
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I think you may be right though. |
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A* 2012-04-27 08:21:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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But none of that says that 西藏 is read "チベット", and I don't think it is. This is a bit like trying to add 濠洲 to the オーストラリア entry. 西藏/せいぞう should be in its own entry with xrefs. |
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A* 2012-04-27 07:56:50 Marcus
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/チベッ�
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"日本では明治期から昭和中期にかけて、中華民国や中国国外の華僑等の間では近年、
Tibetの訳語として「西蔵」を用いる例がある（→西蔵、西蔵地方参照）。" |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>西藏</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>せいぞう</reb>
+</r_ele>
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+<misc>&uk;</misc> |