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A 2020-09-08 06:47:20 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I was concentrating on sense 2, but I don't think the romanized Japanese term has any real traction in English. No mention in Wikipedia (apart from the name of a warship.). None of the JEs uses it, for example. While it's bland, I'd stick with the description. |
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-<gloss>nagatsuki (ninth month of the lunar calendar)</gloss>
+<gloss>ninth month of the lunar calendar</gloss> |
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A* 2020-09-08 05:39:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Do we want to use the Japanese names in sense 1 or not? Not at all sure about that, but it does look nicer than "Xth month in the lunar
calendar" by itself. Should it be capital N also? |
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A 2020-09-08 04:30:32 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5: the ninth month of the lunar calendar; September.
中辞典: 〈9 月〉 September.
Daijr: 〔「ながづき」とも〕 |
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I yield. Seems it's common.
睦月 and 師走 have the Gregorian names in JMdict.
如月, 弥生, 卯月, 皐月, 水無月, 文月, 葉月, 神無月, 霜月 don't. Some, such as 如月 and 卯月 have them in GG5. |
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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ながづき</reb> |
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A* 2020-09-05 01:13:32 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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"9月（くがつ、英:September、別名:長月）はグレゴリオ暦で年の第9の月にあたり、30日ある。 夏と秋の境目とした季節である。
日本では、旧暦9月を長月（ながつき）と呼び、現在では新暦9月の別名としても用いる。"
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/9月
"旧暦では、和風月名（わふうげつめい）と呼ばれる月の和風の呼び名を使用していました。和風月名は旧暦の季節や行事に合わせたもので、現在の暦でも使用されることがあります
が、現在の季節感とは1～2ヶ月ほどのずれがあります。"
https://www.ndl.go.jp/koyomi/chapter3/s8.html
"今日から9月。なごみの空に月冴えてー和風月名「長月」考"
https://dot.asahi.com/tenkijp/suppl/2020090100006.html
"記録的な猛暑の８月でしたが、今日からは９月。和風月名では、９月は「長月（ながつき）」と呼ばれます。"
https://dot.asahi.com/tenkijp/suppl/2018090100010.html
"長月は「9月」のことで、読み方は「ながつき」です。
もともと長月は旧暦の9月を指す言葉でした。
現在は旧暦9月＝新暦9月と考え、葉月を新暦の9月の別名（異名・異称）として使用しています。"
https://jpnculture.net/nagatsuki/
"長月（ながつき）とは、陰暦（旧暦）の9月を意味し、陽暦（新暦）9月の和風月名として知られています。"
https://boxil.jp/beyond/a5392/
"丹波篠山市議会の長月会議が[9月]１日開かれ..."
https://mainichi.jp/articles/20200902/ddl/k28/010/382000c
"9月限定「長月チャレンジ」開催！ "
https://yab.yomiuri.co.jp/adv/feature/release/detail/000000199000036495.html
↓ this calendar uses the old names
https://www.water.go.jp/kansai/kizugawa/hinati/news/pdf/121203hinati_carendar.pdf |
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How does something like this look? |
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-<gloss>ninth month of the lunar calendar</gloss>
+<gloss>nagatsuki (ninth month of the lunar calendar)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>September</gloss> |
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A* 2020-09-05 00:49:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopen. |
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A 2020-09-05 00:48:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Re that "近年新暦月に使用される場合もあります。", I feel we need a bit more evidence before considering adding Gregorian calendar month names to these lunar month entries.
I'll close this to trim the ques, then reopen for a while. |
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A* 2020-09-02 09:51:55 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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>I don't think that 長月 on the calendar you linked is correct.
I hadn't actually noticed that bit but they do say:
"※年号の横の 【長月 ながつき】 などの名称は本来は旧暦の異名ですが、_近年新暦月に使用される場合もあります。_" (my emphasis) |
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A* 2020-09-02 09:04:15 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Yes, I was misreading the first column of the lunar calendar table. We are indeed in the7th month of the 旧暦. I don't think that 長月 on the calendar you linked is correct. |
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A* 2020-09-02 06:32:44 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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http://www.ajnet.ne.jp/diary/
Today is 15/7 - lunar O-Bon.
I don't have the time right nowbut
I'lldig up more examples of names of
lunar months being used to refer to
months in the current calendar. |
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A* 2020-09-02 05:35:57 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar |
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My inclination is to keep the Julian/Gregorian month names right away from the kanji forms used in the lunar calendar, as there is not a 1-1 correspondence between them. I realise that forms like 九月 have a presence in both camps, but 菊月, etc. don't really mean September, despite what a menu-writer might think/say.
BTW, isn't it currently the eighth month in the lunar calendar? |
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A* 2020-09-02 05:18:52 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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This was written out on a menu at a ryotei
where I ate yesterday - the meaning was
obviously "September" (in the current
calendar) as it's still July (strictly
speaking "the seventh month") in the lunar
calendar.
Should all of the main named lunar months
(i. emaybe not all the obscure synonyms)
have an extra sense, like the x月 entries
have? |