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A 2020-07-30 23:19:49 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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OK.
I really don't get the arguments for not
having this as an entry though,
considering how productive it is. |
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A* 2020-07-30 17:48:31 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i agree. i'd go further and say that this is 造語 and possibly/probably not deserving of an entry on its own, but if it's kept, i think n-suf covers it. unless there's evidence of メン being used to mean "member" as a standalone word |
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-<pos>&n;</pos> |
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A* 2020-07-30 15:45:52 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think it's correct to break down something like 元メン into 元[pref] + メン[noun]. Are there any other examples of words that appear exclusively at the end of compound nouns but are considered regular nouns?
Having n on this entry looks silly (and wrong) to me, especially when the other PoS tag is n-suf (defined as "noun, used as a suffix"). It implies that the word is something it's not. I think a single n-suf tag is perfectly sufficient and also less confusing. |
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A 2020-07-30 11:49:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I spent some time searching for live examples of sentences containing はメンが which would have confirmed nounhood for メン. No real success, but I don't mind this having an "n" in the POS string. I hate to think how many entries we have like that, largely thanks to the kokugos labelling things as nouns for largely historical reasons. |
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A* 2020-07-30 03:01:50 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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全メン 210
https://www.amazon.co.jp/乃木坂46◆干支-43人×3種-フルコンプ-まとめ売り◆齋藤飛鳥-遠藤さくら/dp/B085QMVQS1
初メン 533
https://youngjapanesedic.com/初メン/
各メン 1333
https://ameblo.jp/bm-kenkyu/entry-12611007606.html |
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I don't think it's normal for something that's merely an n-suf to take an n-pref. I think that shows it's a noun. I think that words that only appear in
compound nouns can still be considered nouns by themselves. |
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A* 2020-07-30 01:39:11 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think it is obviously a noun. 元メン is an abbreviation of 元メンバー. It's a new word. The constituent parts doesn't necessarily retain their parts of speech. If in English "ex-member" could be abbreviated to "exmem", "mem" wouldn't be considered a noun. |
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A* 2020-07-30 01:17:00 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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but in 元メン, it is obviously a noun, not just a suffix attached to a prefix. |
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A 2020-07-29 23:59:37 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I think this is fine as a n-suf entry. I don't think it can be a noun if it's always prefixed by another word.
We probably don't need those extra glosses. |
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-<gloss>participant</gloss>
-<gloss>attendee</gloss>
-<gloss>lineup (sport)</gloss> |
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A 2020-07-29 23:49:30 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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May as well keep it is it's used quite a bit. |
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
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+<gloss>participant</gloss>
+<gloss>attendee</gloss>
+<gloss>lineup (sport)</gloss> |
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A* 2020-07-29 13:35:22 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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チームメン 417
プロジェクトメン 31
元メン 1329
バンドメン 2909
グループメン 132
パーティーメン 128
サポートメン 65
バンドメン 2909
女子メン 437
男子メン 296
女性メン 53
男性メン 20
コアメン 225
ギルドメン 352 |
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I agree it's not used by itself but I
don't think that's a valid reason to not
include it. |
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A* 2020-07-29 10:59:30 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think this is ever used on its own; it always part of a longer word. No ref has a メン entry. I think it would be better to just add all the common terms that contain メン. There can't be that many of them. |
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A* 2020-07-29 02:42:47 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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as in イケメン, 初期メン etc.
not necessarily just a suffix - in "元メン", I think 元 would be considered a prefix (so it then follows that メン must be a noun) |