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としても [spec1]
1. [exp]
《used for hypothetical situations》
▶ even if ...
▶ even supposing that ...
Cross references:
  ⇐ see: 2841894 としたって 1. even if ...; even supposing that ...
2. [exp]
《after a noun or pronoun》
▶ also as ...
▶ also for ...
▶ also from the position of ...



History:
4. A 2019-10-28 03:21:15  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Thanks. I've added the sense number to the indices for them. Activates next week.
3. A* 2019-10-26 21:40:56  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
だからまあ、学生会としても苦渋の決断てやつなんだ。わかってやってくれ。 So, well, it's a bitter decision for the student council to make as well. Give 'em a break. 
学生服は普段着としても式服としても着られるので便利だ  The school uniform is convenient because it can be worn for both informal and formal occasions. 
彼女は学者としてだけでなく詩人としても評判が高い。 She is highly reputed not only as a scholar but also as a poet. 
彼は先生としても人間としても尊敬された。 He was respected both as a teacher and as a man.
彼は教師としても作家としても著名である。 He is eminent both as a teacher and writer.
贈り物としても最適です。 This is also ideal as a gift.
  Comments:
Sense 2 is essentially として ("as"/"in the capacity of") + も ("also"). These glosses should make the difference more obvious.
I picked out all the sense 2 sentences from the list.
  Diff:
@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<s_inf>used for hypothetical situations</s_inf>
@@ -16,3 +17,3 @@
-<gloss>even from the position of ...</gloss>
-<gloss>even for ...</gloss>
-<gloss>even in the case of ...</gloss>
+<gloss>also as ...</gloss>
+<gloss>also for ...</gloss>
+<gloss>also from the position of ...</gloss>
2. A* 2019-10-25 23:54:43  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I find the difference between the senses hard to pin down, and looking through the 78 linked sentences (URL below) I can't see any I could clearly assign to sense 2. Perhaps this is why the JEs stick with one sense.
Maybe someone else can identify a sentence or so for sense 2? 
https://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1Q�Ȥ��Ƥ�_0__
1. A* 2019-10-25 21:29:45  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
daij, meikyo
  Comments:
Two senses in the kokugos.
  Diff:
@@ -9,2 +9 @@
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<gloss>assuming ...</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -11,0 +11,8 @@
+<gloss>even supposing that ...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<s_inf>after a noun or pronoun</s_inf>
+<gloss>even from the position of ...</gloss>
+<gloss>even for ...</gloss>
+<gloss>even in the case of ...</gloss>

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