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誰にも [spec1]
【だれにも [spec1] 】

1.	[exp] ▶ to anyone ▶ to everyone
2.	[exp] ▶ by anyone ▶ by everyone
3.	[exp] ▶ in everyone ▶ in anyone

History:

15.	A 2019-10-25 03:23:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK. Indexed now.
14.	A* 2019-10-10 00:33:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
13.	A 2019-10-10 00:32:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Since we're tagging it as "exp" I think the "to", etc. should be included fully. There are ~140 sentences using this. I'd like to set up examples for each sense, so I;ll approve and then reopen.
	Diff:	@@ -14,2 +14,2 @@ -<gloss>(to) anyone</gloss> -<gloss>(to) everyone</gloss> +<gloss>to anyone</gloss> +<gloss>to everyone</gloss> @@ -19,2 +19,2 @@ -<gloss>(by) anyone</gloss> -<gloss>(by) everyone</gloss> +<gloss>by anyone</gloss> +<gloss>by everyone</gloss> @@ -24,2 +24,2 @@ -<gloss>(in) everyone</gloss> -<gloss>(in) anyone</gloss> +<gloss>in everyone</gloss> +<gloss>in anyone</gloss>
12.	A* 2019-10-08 08:11:53 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Should the to's, by's, and in's really be in brackets, when they're all what's differentiating the different senses?
11.	A* 2019-10-08 01:07:28 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Sense 1 examples: だれにも言うなよ - don't say it to anyone 誰にも明白だ - it's clear to everyone Sense 2 examples: 誰にも止められない - can't be stopped by anyone 誰にも気付かれずに - unnoticed by everyone 誰にもできる仕事 - job that can be done by anyone Sense 3 examples: 誰にも夢がある - everyone has dreams / [lit] there are dreams in everyone 誰にも過ちがある - everyone makes mistakes / [lit] there are mistakes in everyone
	Comments:	I'd like to suggest splitting the senses according to the uses of に, so that each sense has a different meaning. "Anyone" can appear in positive sentences so I don't think a positive/negative split is the way to go. For this proposed split to work, we'd need example sentences indexed for each sense, but I think this approach is ultimately clearer. I should note that even with this split, a single sense may contain multiple meanings of に.
	Diff:	@@ -14,2 +14 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1416860">誰も・1</xref> -<s_inf>effectively 誰も with に</s_inf> +<gloss>(to) anyone</gloss> @@ -16,0 +16,4 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<gloss>(by) anyone</gloss> @@ -21,5 +24,2 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1416860">誰も・2</xref> -<s_inf>with neg. verb</s_inf> -<gloss>(to) anyone</gloss> -<gloss>(by) anyone</gloss> -<gloss>(to) none</gloss> +<gloss>(in) everyone</gloss> +<gloss>(in) anyone</gloss>
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10.	A* 2019-10-07 00:00:06 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	the note on sense 1 seems like it might be hard for someone to figure out if they were not familiar with the history of this thread and the further comments in the comment section. it can probably be dropped
9.	A 2019-10-06 23:59:29 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	temp approve
8.	A* 2019-09-11 05:29:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/919956 ("誰も言わない: No one tells it." and "誰にも言わない: I don't tell it to anyone.") 誰も 11437867 誰もに 9525 GG5: だれにも言うなよ. Don't tell 「anybody [a soul]. GG5: 彼はだれにも劣らず派手好きだ. He's as flashy as 「anyone [the next man]. GG5: 1,000 年後の未来はだれにもわからない. The future 1,000 years from now is anyone's guess. 中辞典: 暗算ではだれにも負けない be second to none in mental arithmetic 中辞典: 職務上の秘密をだれにも言ってはならない. You must not tell your professional secrets to anybody. ルミナス: 彼はテニスでは*だれにも負けない He is second to none in tennis. Tanaka: この種の経験は誰にも馴染み深い。This kind of experience is familiar to everyone. Tanaka: 彼は力だけでは誰にも劣らない。He is second to none in strength.
	Comments:	With it being very common (nearly 2.5M n-grams), and not a simple A+B, I think we need to cover it somehow as it's not だれ + にも. The JEs quoted above give examples in their だれ entries, which is appropriate as they don't have entries for だれも or だれに. My suggested note: "effectively 誰も with に" is just that - it could also be seen as だれ+ に + も. I miscounted the Tanaka sentences - there are 161 indexed by this term.
	Diff:	@@ -13 +13 @@ -<pos>&adv;</pos> +<pos>&exp;</pos> @@ -15,4 +15,11 @@ -<s_inf>adv equivalent of 誰も</s_inf> -<gloss>anybody and everybody</gloss> -<gloss>with the best of them</gloss> -<gloss>as the next fellow</gloss> +<s_inf>effectively 誰も with に</s_inf> +<gloss>(to) everyone</gloss> +<gloss>(by) everyone</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1416860">誰も・2</xref> +<s_inf>with neg. verb</s_inf> +<gloss>(to) anyone</gloss> +<gloss>(by) anyone</gloss> +<gloss>(to) none</gloss>
7.	A* 2019-09-09 04:33:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	誰にも 2363418 だれにも 111301
	Comments:	Hang on for a bit. Not that keen on reindexing 100+ sentences.
6.	A* 2019-09-09 02:49:55 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	of the refs i have access to, it is only in 実用日本語表現辞典「誰にも言わない」といった形で、特定の人に限定せずどんな人にも、あるいは全ての人に対して、という意味の表現。
	Comments:	probably safe to delete it
5.	A* 2019-09-09 01:59:28 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Yes, it's several expressions. It's in 134 Tanaka sentences, and I'll look into it when I'm back with proper references.
4.	A* 2019-09-09 00:17:27 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I'm not sure this should be an entry. It's not the "adv equivalent of 誰も". In each of the following examples, に has a different function. --- to anyone: "誰にも言うな! - don't tell anyone" in anyone: "誰にも過ちはある - anyone can make mistakes" by anyone: "誰にも気付かれずに - unnoticed by all" --- It's not a single expression.
3.	A 2016-11-02 11:22:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -14 +14 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1416860">誰も</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1416860">誰も・1</xref>
2.	A* 2016-11-02 10:03:23 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	G n-grams: 誰にも 2363418 だれにも 111301
	Diff:	@@ -5,0 +6 @@ +<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri> @@ -8,0 +10 @@ +<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
1.	A 2005-05-01 00:00:00
	Comments:	Entry created

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