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膝元；膝下；ひざ元；膝許
【ひざもと；しっか (膝下) 】

[n]
▶ near one's knee

[n]
▶ (by) one's side
▶ (at) one's hand

[n]
▶ place under the protection (of one's parents, etc.)
▶ (under) the care (of)

(ひざもと only) [n]
▶ territory of a powerful person

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2548900 お膝元 2. place where a high ranking person resides; one's own city (of a shogun, lord, etc.); Imperial capital; Imperial court; (shogun's) headquarters

(しっか only) [n]
▶ address used after the names of one's parents, grandparents, etc. in a letter

History:

11.	A 2019-04-02 01:49:21 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -40 +40 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2548900">お膝元・1</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2548900">お膝元・2</xref>
10.	A 2018-12-14 20:14:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	膝元 105638 膝下 104164 膝許 79 ひざ元 10614 GG5, etc.
	Diff:	@@ -11 +11 @@ -<keb>膝許</keb> +<keb>ひざ元</keb> @@ -14 +14 @@ -<keb>ひざ元</keb> +<keb>膝許</keb>
9.	A* 2018-12-03 07:58:40 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijs ２身に近いところ。特に、父母など保護してくれる人のそば。 daijr ② 身の近く。身のまわり。「親の－を離れて東京に出る」「徳川将軍のお－（=江戸）」 https://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/膝元に置く ”自分の近くに置いておくさま"
	Comments:	This has a more general "nearby" meaning that the kokugo's conflate with our "under the protection of one's parents", but to merge those two look weird in a wa-ei, at least to me.
	Diff:	@@ -29,2 +29,7 @@ -<gloss>under the protection of (e.g. one's parents)</gloss> -<gloss>under the care of</gloss> +<gloss>(by) one's side</gloss> +<gloss>(at) one's hand</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>place under the protection (of one's parents, etc.)</gloss> +<gloss>(under) the care (of)</gloss>
8.	A 2015-05-12 08:16:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
7.	A* 2015-05-12 01:54:42 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	"below the knee" is not supported by any japanese dictionary (which is ひざ下). gg5 has it, but does not use it with this meaning in its examples
	Diff:	@@ -26 +25,0 @@ -<gloss>below one's knee</gloss>
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6.	A 2010-11-19 11:23:32 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	In this case I think the merge is quite OK - 大辞林 has an entry for 膝元；膝下; ひざもと, and another for 膝下; しっか. That clearly brings it into merge contention. JMdict's rules on merging are fairly clear, and while it leads to probably a bit more merging than other dictionaries, it means complete entries with fewer cross-links.
5.	A* 2010-11-18 20:29:40 Scott
	Comments:	I would keep them separate. (I think there's a bit of overmerging sometimes and it makes entries harder to read)
4.	A* 2010-11-18 19:55:57 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	"under the protection of a protector" is a tad redundant
	Diff:	@@ -30,1 +30,1 @@ -<gloss>under the protection of (e.g. one's parents, a protector)</gloss> +<gloss>under the protection of (e.g. one's parents)</gloss>
3.	A* 2010-11-18 19:42:42 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	suggest merge with しっか
	Diff:	@@ -7,0 +7,9 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>膝下</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>膝許</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>ひざ元</keb> +</k_ele> @@ -9,0 +18,4 @@ +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>しっか</reb> +<re_restr>膝下</re_restr> @@ -13,0 +26,1 @@ +<gloss>below one's knee</gloss> @@ -20,0 +34,1 @@ +<stagr>ひざもと</stagr> @@ -24,0 +39,5 @@ +<sense> +<stagr>しっか</stagr> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>address used after the names of one's parents, grandparents, etc. in a letter</gloss> +</sense>
2.	A 2010-11-18 19:11:52 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
1.	A* 2010-11-17 22:50:42 Scott
	Refs:	gg5 koj daij
	Diff:	@@ -14,0 +14,10 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>under the protection of (e.g. one's parents, a protector)</gloss> +<gloss>under the care of</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="2548900">お膝元</xref> +<gloss>territory of a powerful person</gloss> +</sense>

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