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D 2019-03-05 00:05:25 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Meant to delete it. |
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A 2019-03-04 23:21:43 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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There's not really a clear consensus here but it's been almost 6 months now. I'm going to delete this based on arguments made by me,
Robin, and Rene. I'll add it to the 事務所 entry but as I've said, I wouldn't be miffed if it isn't included at all. |
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A* 2018-12-16 16:39:11 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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reopen as a reminder |
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A 2018-12-16 16:38:54 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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close and reopen. given the extent of the conversation, probably this is a matter for the mailing list |
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A* 2018-11-29 09:33:24 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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It might be the case that it's much more common in handwritten Japanese than online.
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q118149731
"私は急いでメモしないといけないときに、一種の略字として
まだれ（广）の中に“Ｋ”や“Ｏ”を入れて「慶応」としたり、
... こういう表記で、他に便利なのはありませんか？
...
事務所は事ム所だな。務はみんなムにしちゃう。"
https://books.google.co.jp/books?
id=KlYNMV9Ot0MC&lpg=PA430&ots=RhPIs9dLWH&dq=%22'%E4%BA%8B%E3%83%A0%E6%89%80%22%20%22%E5%8B%99%22&pg=PA430#v=onepage&q=%22
'%E4%BA%8B%E3%83%A0%E6%89%80%22%20%22%E5%8B%99%22&f=false
"全く務の字が一寸むづかしい貸めに、軍なる片暇名でその務音を示し間に合せてみる" (1936)
(149 unique hits on google books for 事ム所)
If so, I think that strengthens the case to include it, but it's hard to look into of course.
In general, we have included some pretty obscure kanji forms in plenty of entries. As long as they're properly marked as
iK or oK, I don't think it's that much of an issue. Dictionary developers can decide for themselves how prominently (or
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A* 2018-11-25 13:50:03 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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It would make more sense to have it in the 事務所 entry but the more I look at it, the more I feel it should be dropped entirely. It would look so odd alongside 事務所. I still think we can safely ignore it. |
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A* 2018-11-25 07:09:09 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I think it's OK to include, even if it isn't all that common compared to 事務所, but I really think it should be included in the 事務所
entry. I don't see how this is much different from including a ジムショ reading in the main 事務所 entry. |
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A* 2018-10-20 21:47:51 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A 2018-10-20 21:47:40 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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there are a handful of other entries where we've taken the approach Jim has used here for this entry, although the examples don't come to mind. i'm closing and reopening again to remove some edits in the queue. let's leave the comment for Jim to respond |
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A* 2018-10-08 01:21:55 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I agree with Robin. |
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A* 2018-10-05 15:14:46 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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事務所 15160823
事ム所 752 |
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I think we've established this isn't slang, so if we were to keep it, it probably belongs in the 事務所 entry. But for me, the n-gram counts say it all (20000:1). It's little more than noise. |
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A* 2018-10-04 00:39:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopen. |
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A 2018-10-04 00:38:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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ありがーと 783
ありがと 4255043
ありがとう 95539750
ありがーとう 352
アリガート 146 |
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I'm going to close this and then reopen it to reduce the clutter. I intend to get to the broader issue of handling oddball variants, but it will be a while. I like RObin's comments about ありがーと and I'm tossing in some n-gram counts in that area. It's interesting how common ありがと is. |
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A* 2018-09-29 21:58:06 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i agree, but i don't think it fits in enamdict and we have a history of letting these kinds of things in.
i think ideally all these bizarre orthographical variants would just be handled by some kind of software interface to the dictionary that allows for fuzzy matching |
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A* 2018-09-28 01:12:39 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I still don't think these sorts of uncommon orthographic variants are worth recording, especially if they only feature in names.
Can it go in enamdict? |
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A* 2018-09-27 18:35:02 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Examples from the web:
合同会社PLONSTERS ウエダ不動産事ム所
ネコノヒタイ事ム所
西原写真事ム所
棟方デザイン事ム所
黒岩構造設計事ム所
藤崎誠事ム所
門脇秀星企画事ム所
ダムカード管理事ム所
ビックリB事ム所
増田デザイン事ム所
八重の森事ム所 司法書士 |
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Mostly (only?) used in company names.
On the other hand there are lots of them,
I could easily add many more examples.
So maybe let's keep it. |
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A* 2018-09-27 16:58:39 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think we do. 700 is low. I mean, "ありがーと" gets 783. |
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A* 2018-09-27 02:31:40 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Sorry; didn't mean to approve. |
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A 2018-09-27 02:29:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I think we need to have some way of recording a term with an n-gram count of 700. |
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A* 2018-09-26 05:42:47 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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I agree with Robin.
Seems to mostly be used in company names. |
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A* 2018-09-22 13:47:35 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Is there any evidence of this being used outside of company names, etc.?
At the moment, I'd be in favour of deleting it. |
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A 2015-10-24 03:32:09 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i'm not sure that we need to include all these weird orthographical variants in the dictionary itself... surely there has to be a better way |
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A* 2015-09-23 01:31:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Goggle n-grams:
事ム所 752
じムしょ No matches
事務所 15160823
じむしょ 8926 |
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I don't want to merge with 事務所 as it's clearly just a jokey form. |
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@@ -6,0 +7,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>じムしょ</reb>
+</r_ele>
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+<xref type="see" seq="1314400">事務所・じむしょ</xref>
+<misc>&sl;</misc> |
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A* 2015-09-22 10:55:08 Rick Papo <...address hidden...>
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Seems to be a slangy term of "office".
Example: http://www.munekatadesign.jp/index_office.htm |