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ごく当たり前；極当たり前
【ごくあたりまえ】

[exp,adj-na,adj-no,n]
▶ absolutely normal
▶ perfectly commonplace
▶ taken for granted

History:

8.	A 2018-12-07 13:18:59 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Adv+adj so I guess so, though our other ごく... entries are all over the place.
7.	A* 2018-12-07 12:31:16 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Surely this is exp?
	Diff:	@@ -13,0 +14 @@ +<pos>&exp;</pos>
6.	A 2018-12-06 21:01:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I'm quite comfortable with this as an entry. ごく普通 would be useful too.
5.	A* 2018-12-05 03:21:31 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ごく当たり前 84417 至極当たり前 17851 しごく当たり前 3193
	Comments:	Most importantly though: we have 70 adverbs with the gloss "very" in Jmdict but the only "very+当たり前" combos that are actually common and sound completely natural are "ごく当たり前" and "至極(しごく)当たり前". One of the "is it worth including tests" mentioned in policy "is it not what someone reasonably proficient in Japanese would come up with when trying to express the English meaning in Japanese?"
4.	A* 2018-12-05 01:06:29 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ごく普通 623511 ごく一部 348141 ごくわずか 150717 ごく自然 141565 ごくまれ　 119626 ごく最近 98555 ごく少数 95884 ごく当たり前 84417 ごくたまに 72988 ごく一般的 69823 ごく簡単　 67695 ごく小さい 14011
	Comments:	I missed ごく自然 (eij), ごく一般的 (eij) ごく少数 (eij) and probably one or two or perhaps a few others, but I still think it's quite a limited bunch and it wouldn't hurt us to include a couple of more of these.
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3.	A* 2018-12-05 00:50:39 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I would think ごく普通 would be a good candidate for inclusion as well (better, even). I think it might be a little tricky to translate this because 1) ごく is almost always hiragana so any novice user will have to guess which of our three ごく entries apply, 2) all our ごく entry currently says is "very, quite" while the more natural translations of ごく in this particular phrase are the ones above above. 3) Additionally, ごく is a bit of a strange beast for an adverb and is only regularly used with a very small set of words, chiefly as ごく普通(in eij, a gg5 example in the ごく entry), ごくわずか (jitsuyo, eij, jmdict), ごく最近 (eij, jmdict), ごく稀 (eij, jmdict, gg5 example in the ごく entry), ごく一部 (jitsuyo, eij, jmdict), ごくために (jmdict) and ごく当たり前 (eij). (We also have ごく小さい here (since 2015) which incidentally is the 3rd most common ごく+adj-i according to NINJAL but only 1/6th as common as ごく当たり前 in the ngrams)
2.	A* 2018-12-04 22:29:44 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	ごく普通 623511 ごく自然 141492
	Comments:	I don't see what makes the translation any more tricky than that of other ごく- terms.
1.	A* 2018-12-04 05:29:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	eij gg5 sense 2 of 当たり前: ⯈ごく当たり前の　absolutely normal; completely □unexceptional [normal]; taken completely for granted; not strange in any way used in 10 daij entries g ng ごく当たり前 84417 ごくあたりまえ 10831 極当たり前 5474 ごく当たりまえ 441 cf とても当たり前 3911 すごく当たり前 5312 すごい当たり前 463 かなり当たり前 1339 最も当たり前 316
	Comments:	Standard application of ごく, perhaps, but still a little tricky to translate just from the ごく and 当たり前 entries. Also very common.

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