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jmdict 1260680 Deleted (id: 1987320)
の下に；の許に
【のもとに】

[exp] [uk]
▶ under the supervision of

[exp]
▶ underneath

[exp]
▶ on the basis of

[exp]
▶ at ...
▶ with ...

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1260670 元【もと】 5. (one's) side

History:

9.	D 2018-09-18 17:28:01 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
8.	D* 2018-09-18 06:17:29 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	This entry has an interesting history. It began pre-2000 as: 元に [もとに] /(exp) (uk) under the supervision of/on the basis of/ In 2007 Rene changed it to の下に, quoting Daijr/s for the kanji and noting that it was "more idiomatic" that way. Shortly afterwards Paul Blay added の許に and split the senses. I've come around to the view that this is probably adequately covered by 2004390 (下/許/もと). I've reindexed that sentence to the 元/もと sense as Robin suggested, and I'll touch up 2004390 a little.
7.	A* 2018-09-16 22:22:31 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I also wouldn't mind dropping this.
6.	A* 2018-09-16 00:30:39 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	see comments below
5.	A 2018-09-16 00:29:53 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	temp approve
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4.	A* 2018-09-15 22:21:44 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijr (もと【下・許】): " ある人のいる所。また，その人の影響の及ぶ所。「博士の指導の―に新製品を開発する」「恩師の―を尋ねる」「親の―を離れる」〔「そば」の意では「元」とも書く〕"
	Comments:	I don't think we can consider the "のもとに" in "彼は今月初めまで私たちのもとにいました" an expression. Structurally, it's no different from の上に, のそばに, の右に, etc. I was going to suggest linking the sentence to 1260670 (sense 5), but I noticed that the entry doesn't include 下 or 許 in the kanji field. It might be better to move that sense to 2004390 (下[もと]) and add 元 to the kanji field, but then there'd be overlap. It's a bit of a mess. --- In my view, even the first (and more useful) sense is adequately covered by the 下[もと] entry. I don't think の下に is a particularly special construction (and the grammar is straightforward). We don't have の下で, which is also common. I'm in favour of dropping this entry altogether.
3.	A* 2018-08-16 01:10:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	の許に 28443 の下に 3851947 の元に 936684 のもとに 1677387 GG5 - sense 5 of the "もと【元･本･許･基･因･素】" entry 【許･元】〔そば〕 one's side. …の許に at…; with… Tatoeba: 彼は今月初めまで私たちのもとにいました. He stayed with us until the beginning of this month.
	Comments:	It's 許 rather than 下, but all "uk". I want to link the sentence to this sense.
	Diff:	@@ -25,0 +26,6 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1260670">元・もと・5</xref> +<gloss>at ...</gloss> +<gloss>with ...</gloss> +</sense>
2.	A 2012-10-30 23:26:28 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Possibly not, but there would need to be a very complete 下に/もとに entry before we delete this one. at present there's only 下に/しもに.
1.	A* 2012-10-19 16:11:15 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	should the の really be included?

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