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A 2017-06-20 23:44:49 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Thanks. I was a bit doubtful. |
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A* 2017-06-20 22:33:39 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I really can't see how "bumpy" fits with that sense. |
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-<gloss>rattle</gloss>
-<gloss>clatter</gloss>
+<gloss>rattling</gloss>
+<gloss>clattering</gloss>
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -52 +50,0 @@
-<gloss>bumpy</gloss> |
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A 2017-06-20 01:43:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I think but certainly shouldn't be the first gloss in the sense. |
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-<gloss>bumpy</gloss>
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+<gloss>bumpy</gloss> |
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+<gloss>bumpy</gloss> |
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A 2012-09-07 11:21:24 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Seems pretty good now. No reference has exactly the same coverage or sense split. |
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A* 2012-09-07 04:50:22 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A 2012-09-07 04:50:11 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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approve & reopen |
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A* 2012-09-07 00:16:41 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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1) In the quote 何ガタガタいってんのや (from the novel I'm reading) there is no hint in the context that the
complaint is loud or noisy. As I read it, the bosozoku guy is just expressing his irritation that there
is any opposition at all to his suggestion 木屋町にでも行こうかい.
2) Shogakukan translates がたがた言うな as simply "Stop grumbling!" -- and "grumbling" doesn't suggest a
loud volume.
3) 〔不平を言う様子〕がたがた言うな Stop grumbling [griping]! ---
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/je2/12445/m0u/
4) Still, I suppose がたがた may refer to *loud* complaint sometimes, but my feeling is that it's not
really part of the meaning. |
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A* 2012-09-06 22:56:28 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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うるさく is emphasized in many dictionary definitions and new century waei gives the translations: "make a loud complaint, complain noisily"
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that said, there is more than one meaning for うるさい, and it could be a mistranslation |
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-<gloss>noisily (complaining)</gloss> |
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A* 2012-09-06 20:49:36 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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I see ガタガタ (in the "bellyaching" sense) as being a figurative derivation from
the "rattling; clattering" sense. The speaker is demeaning the complainer by
comparing his words with a rattling sound -- something of no interest to him.
It's like in English "What are you rattling on about?" I think this is why
Sanseido uses the [俗] tag -- using ガタガタ is insulting. Maybe 俗 is not the
right tag, though. Maybe it should be something like "deprecatory" -- is there
an EDICT tag for that? I chose to submit "bellyaching" because it conveys this
sense of "insult", so maybe a tag is not necessary. Anyway, I don't think ガタガタ
is about loudness, as "noisily (complaining)" suggests. |
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A* 2012-09-06 20:27:49 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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"noisily (complaining)" -- Does this perhaps emphasize the *noise* aspect too
much? Isn't がたがた really about *complaining*?
i.e. うるさい in the sense of "tiresome; persistent; nagging" rather than "noisy;
loud"
(I'm referring to the definition うるさく、不平などを言うようす)
Regarding the "sl"/"col" tag, I think you're probably right. |
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A* 2012-09-06 18:58:31 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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meikyo, gg5, eij, prog, nc, koj, daij |
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i'm not sure either is necessary |
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@@ -13,1 +13,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -17,1 +16,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -23,1 +21,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -27,1 +24,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -29,1 +25,13 @@
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>trembling</gloss>
+<gloss>shivering</gloss>
+<gloss>quaking</gloss>
+<gloss>wobbling</gloss>
+<gloss>swaying</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&adv-to;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>noisily (complaining)</gloss>
+<gloss>whining</gloss>
@@ -31,0 +39,1 @@
+<gloss>griping</gloss>
@@ -33,0 +42,12 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>rickety</gloss>
+<gloss>shaky</gloss>
+<gloss>wobbly</gloss>
+<gloss>decrepit</gloss>
+<gloss>ramshackle</gloss>
+<gloss>broken down</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A* 2012-09-06 07:24:47 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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Maybe it's better to say the 2nd sense is colloquial ("col")
than slang "sl" |
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A* 2012-09-06 01:29:18 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...>
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Sanseido:
[俗] うるさく、不平などを言うようす。「～さわぐんじゃない！」 |
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Example:
「木屋町にでも行こうかい」
「反対の「いいです」なんですが」
「何ガタガタいってんのや。...」 |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&adv-to;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>grumbling</gloss>
+<gloss>bellyaching</gloss>
+</sense> |