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A 2017-02-28 11:25:07 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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repairing xref |
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+<xref type="see" seq="2101130">氏・し・2</xref> |
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A 2017-02-27 22:32:39 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I'll move those priority tags to the other entry.
うじ is really a stand-alone term for clan, but it's clearly used sometimes as a suffix. ふじわらうじ is being used a bit, but ふじわらし is much more common. Let's have both, and I'll xref this back to the other. |
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-<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
-<ke_pri>nf07</ke_pri>
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-<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>nf07</re_pri>
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+<pos>&n;</pos>
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+<xref type="see" seq="2101130">氏・し・2</xref> |
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A* 2017-02-27 15:25:49 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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By the way, this entry has a (P) tag and 氏(し) doesn't.
Tanaka has 228 examples of 氏(し)
and only one example of 氏(うじ), 人は氏より育ち。
Maybe the (P) tag should be on 氏(し) instead. |
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A* 2017-02-27 11:44:36 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Here are G-ngrams for the three clan names in the wiki articles:
ふじわらし 431
ふじわらうじ No matches
もののべし 150
もののべうじ No matches
たちばなし 4492
たちばなうじ No matches |
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I have some doubts about うじ = clan. |
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A* 2017-02-27 10:56:49 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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(a) Daijirin has the suffix clan name as a sense for 氏/し, and not for 氏/うじ.
(b) My main 3 JEs (GG5, 新和英中辞典 and ルミナス和英辞典) all have clan as a sense of 氏/し but not of 氏/うじ. They give examples for し such as 平氏 and 藤原氏, which they gloss as "Fujiwara family [clan]". |
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A* 2017-02-26 19:17:55 Timofei Shatrov <...address hidden...>
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According to my research this is used as suffix for clans instead of entry 2101130. For example the clans mentioned in japanese wikipedia for 氏 all have this suffix transliterated as うじ:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/藤原氏
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/物部氏
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/橘氏
Possibly there exist clans where it's pronounced し but I haven't found them. As far as I can see 氏[し] is only used as honorific for people. |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<gloss>clan</gloss>
+</sense> |