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A 2014-03-08 06:35:11 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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so ugly |
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A* 2014-03-08 03:51:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Koj,Daijr/s, GG5, ルミナス (all just have 活け締め)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/活け締め - "「〆」の字を用いて「活け〆」、「活き〆」、「活〆」などとも書く。" |
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Adding "io" and moving the 〆 versions down the list (I can't count them easily.) |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>活締め</keb>
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>活締</keb>
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,6 +21,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>活締め</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>活締</keb> |
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A 2011-09-01 01:43:08 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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approved |
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A* 2011-09-01 01:27:28 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Also created 2656970 |
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A 2011-09-01 01:00:00 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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a terrible entry to try to handle, to be sure |
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A* 2011-08-31 23:29:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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活き締め/活締め are certainly being used and should get in somehow. It would be a horrible mess to try and get everything into one entry. The かつじめ (mis)reading questions the "[restr=いけじめ]" on sense 1. |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>活締め</keb> |
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A* 2011-08-30 15:49:47 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/活け締め
300k+ Google hits for 活〆 – actually looks like most common spelling by almost an order of magnitude. |
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* Added alt. spelling w/o okurigana
Reading-wise, some possible additions:
* WP also gives いきじめ／いきしめ (き rather than け)
* かつじめ seems a common (mis)-reading (かつ rather than いき 重箱読み instead of 複合動詞 訓読み) and +“活〆“ +"かつじめ" gets 7k+ Google hits.
Background:
Just saw this at grocery store, rendered as 活乄 (on label; I’ve rendered this as 活〆 since literal "活乄" is quite rare online), and clerk read it as かつじめ (admittedly, following my prompting, but seemed surprised at いけじめ after I found it in 国語辞書). |
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+<keb>活〆</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -10,0 +14,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>活締</keb> |
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A 2011-08-12 08:02:13 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2011-08-12 05:27:22 Scott
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It was a bad translation from "活魚を麻痺させて素早く脳死状態とした後にさらに血抜きをし、鮮度を保つ方法[1][2]。" (wiki). |
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A* 2011-08-12 02:26:53 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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daij, gg5 |
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there's nothing about hitting a brainstem in there from what i can tell either.
i think this works |
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@@ -9,0 +9,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
@@ -13,0 +14,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>いけしめ</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -14,0 +18,1 @@
+<stagr>いけじめ</stagr>
@@ -15,1 +20,1 @@
-<gloss>method of killing fish by hitting directly their brain stem</gloss>
+<gloss>draining blood from a live fish (from above the gills and at the base of the tail) to keep it fresh</gloss>
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-<gloss>fasting fish for several days to reduce mortality in transport</gloss>
+<s_inf>esp. いけしめ</s_inf>
+<gloss>fasting fish for several days to preserve flavour and quality (and reduce mortality during transport)</gloss>
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-<gloss>killing fish in a fishtank</gloss>
-<gloss>dead fish in a fishtank</gloss>
+<s_inf>esp. いけしめ</s_inf>
+<gloss>killing fish in a fishtank (immediately before cooking)</gloss>
+<gloss>fish killed in a fishtank</gloss> |
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A* 2011-08-09 09:54:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I'm having a problem with this one. GG5 has two 活け締め entries:
いけじめ: draining the blood from a live fish to keep it fresh (ルミナス has that too, and so does 大辞泉 if I'm reading it correctly.)
いけしめ: (1) making a fish fast for a few days before sale, (2) killing a fish immediately before cooking.
Daijrin has both readings together, and has fasting and fishtank senses.
Koj has いけじめ and just the blood-draining sense.
I suspect they all need a merge, and some "esp. xxx" for readings. |
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A* 2011-08-06 14:08:05 Scott
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wiki daijs |