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A 2011-05-30 09:55:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I think its' time to bite the bullet on this one.
I'll leave ごうはん separate (only 大辞林 combines it) and bring こわいい back in here. I like 大辞泉's "強飯（こわいい）ともいう". |
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A* 2011-05-30 05:32:28 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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as stated above, they may or may not be synonymous (some sources say they are), but it's only daijisen that draws this glutinous/non-glutinous distinction for こわいい and こわめし. to me it just seems like こわいい is a more archaic term and it may not have included beans.
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the comment about them sharing a sense was in reference to Jim's comment about ごうはん |
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A* 2011-05-29 18:27:12 Scott
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According to my reading of daijisen, the meanings are different.
ごう‐はん【強飯】
山盛りの飯を食うことを強制する儀式。日光輪王寺(りんのうじ)で、正月・4月の祭礼、12月の餅練(もちね)りなどに、参詣の大名などに山伏が強要した強飯式（現在は4月2日）が有名。日光責め。
こわ‐いい【強飯】
《「ひめいい（姫飯）」に対して》粳米(うるちまい)を甑(こしき)に入れて幾度も水をかけて蒸したもの。こわい。→こわめし（強飯）
こわ‐めし【強飯】
糯米(もちごめ)を蒸した飯。ふつう、小豆やササゲを入れて赤飯にする。おこわ。→こわいい（強飯）
Might not be true for other dictionaries. |
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A* 2011-05-29 03:55:09 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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no. meanings aren't different if they share a sense |
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A* 2011-05-28 20:49:35 Scott
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The only shared element is the kanji headword. Readings And meanings
are different, so not 2/3. |
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A* 2011-05-28 07:11:20 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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that seems reasonable too, although daijr seems to be the only dic that has that sense (therefore i think it should come second, not first) |
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A* 2011-05-27 10:52:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Also we've approved a separate entry for 強飯/ごうはん, but I see Daijrin has "(1) こわめし（強飯） に同じ。" Perhaps it should be merged too, and its distinct meaning made a sense with restrictions. |
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A* 2011-05-26 12:43:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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So you suggest that こわいい should be here too? |
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A* 2011-05-25 23:40:27 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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yahoo enc, meikyo, and my obunsha kogo jiten have them as synonymous. |
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A* 2011-05-25 22:54:57 Scott
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I got them wrong! |
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A* 2011-05-25 22:45:26 Scott
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The two readings should not be merged:
こわめし uses non glut. rice and こわいい uses glutinous rice
粳米(うるちまい)を甑(こしき)に入れて幾度も水をかけて蒸したもの。こわい
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-<reb>こわめし</reb>
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-<gloss>rice with red beans (eaten on celebratory occasions)</gloss>
+<gloss>glutinous rice with red beans (eaten on celebratory occasions)</gloss>
+<gloss>mochi rice with red beans</gloss> |