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<k_ele>
<keb>詭弁</keb>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf42</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>詭辯</keb>
<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>奇弁</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>危弁</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>きべん</reb>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf42</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>sophistry</gloss>
<gloss>sophism</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2021-02-07 15:48:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think these glosses are correct.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, daij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -26 +25,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -29,2 +27,0 @@
-<gloss>chicanery</gloss>
-<gloss>play on words</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-02-07 20:43:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Good catch.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-09 02:50:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Meikyo says 奇弁 is (was?) used in newspapers as 代用字.
Daijs says 危弁 only applies in the academic / philosophical sense. Doesn't seem to be worth the trouble of adding an extra sense and sense restrictions.
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 詭弁 │ 203,605 │ 99.3% │
│ 奇弁 │ 1,091 │ 0.5% │ 🡠 sK (only shinmeikai has this as a headword; also mentioned in daijs)
│ 詭辯 │ 321 │ 0.2% │ 🡠 oK to rK (daijs, meikyo)
│ 危弁 │ 0 │ 0.0% │ 🡠 sK (mentioned in daijs and meikyo)
│ きべん │ 5,224 │ N/A │
╰─ーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8,4 @@
+<keb>詭辯</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -8,0 +13 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -13,4 +17,0 @@
-<keb>詭辯</keb>
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -17,0 +19 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-09 05:51:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-10 12:16:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Koj also has "俗に「奇弁」とも書く". As 奇 and 危 are not variants of 詭, I think they should be visible.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,2 @@
+<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>nf42</ke_pri>
@@ -13,3 +15 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
-<ke_pri>nf42</ke_pri>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -19 +19 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-10 20:15:48" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-22 18:34:57" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>詭辯: [rK] -> [oK]</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -11 +11 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>