<entry id="2298628" stat="R" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1005160</ent_seq>
<r_ele>
<reb>させる</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&v1;</pos>
<pos>&vt;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1157170">する・1</xref>
<gloss>to make (someone) do</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&v1;</pos>
<pos>&vt;</pos>
<gloss>to allow (someone) to do</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-12-27 06:37:49" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,1 +14,1 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1157170"&gt;為る・する&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1157170"&gt;為る・する・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-05-21 15:13:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -20,0 +21 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-05-22 08:25:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-08 16:06:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-08 21:53:42" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-05 04:42:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think there is necessarily a problem with this entry, but it is the only one with the "為せる" form and I am aware that when one encounters 為せる it is much more likely to be the なせる form of 為す/なす.
I think we need to do one of:
- create a 為せる/なせる entry so that people looking it up aren't mislead (both Daijirin and Daijisem have such entries.)
- drop the kanji form from this entry.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-06 23:27:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think we should drop the kanji. The refs don't bother with it.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -4,4 +3,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;為せる&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -15,2 +11 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1157170"&gt;為る・する・1&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1157170"&gt;する・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -22,2 +17 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to allow (someone) to&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to allow (someone) to do&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-06 23:46:40" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-20 01:23:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Non</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Added tag [aux-v]. Added notes concerning usage and function.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs, daijr</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -11,0 +13 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;added to stem of ichidan verbs; forms causative voice&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -14,0 +17 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-20 01:44:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Non</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Quickly realised that the previous notes were incomplete, sorry about that.
Opted to use 未然形 rather than -nai stem due to the existence of the old せさせる form that hardly sees any use; せ would not be commonly identified with a -nai stem. Dismissed irrealis or imperfective since most people will not know those terms where as 未然形 can be looked up within the dictionary.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;added to stem of ichidan verbs; forms causative voice&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;added to 未然形 of 一段 and カ変 verbs and old 未然形 of サ変 verbs; forms causative voice&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-20 04:53:02" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>These new notes are impenetrable to anybody who might have use for them. Bad, bad, bad.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-20 05:16:02" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Non</upd_name>
<upd_detl>No constructive input can be gathered from your commentary.
In any case, I have already rescinded this proposal as it is the incorrect entry, see id=2298617.

In case I was meant to click the deletion button, apologies - I did not do so as I was under the impression that it would request the removal of the entire entry(as opposed to just the proposed amendment) after reading the help page.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +8,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -13 +11,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;added to 未然形 of 一段 and カ変 verbs and old 未然形 of サ変 verbs; forms causative voice&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -17 +14,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-20 05:38:15" stat="R">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Fork</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>