<entry id="2295333" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1416050</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>叩き</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>敲き</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>たたき</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>タタキ</reb>
<re_nokanji/>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<field>&food;</field>
<gloss>finely chopped fish or meat (sometimes seared first)</gloss>
<gloss>mince</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
<gloss>hitting (e.g. a drum)</gloss>
<gloss>striking</gloss>
<gloss>beating</gloss>
<gloss>person who strikes something</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2839605">日本叩き</xref>
<gloss>bashing</gloss>
<gloss>criticizing</gloss>
<gloss>attacking</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&sl;</misc>
<gloss>robbery</gloss>
<gloss>extortion</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1836930">たたき台・2</xref>
<field>&bus;</field>
<misc>&abbr;</misc>
<gloss>springboard for discussion</gloss>
<gloss>draft proposal</gloss>
<gloss>tentative plan</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&hist;</misc>
<gloss>whipping (Edo-period punishment)</gloss>
<gloss>lashing</gloss>
<gloss>flogging</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-09-04 14:28:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brandon Kentel</upd_name>
<upd_detl>removed the restrictions as per most other uncommon or severely restricted kanji renderings getting a note only.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,3 +7,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;三和土&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -24,2 +21,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -29,0 +24,1 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;seared skipjack tuna&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -31,2 +27,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-09-04 23:16:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>it's common enough that it needs to have a headword.  perhaps a split, with x-refs between them?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-09-08 06:11:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Thinking about this, I suspect the simplest thing is to put 三和土 back and redo the restrictions. ルミナス和英辞典 is my only ref that supports 叩き for sense 3.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-09-08 16:55:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>that works for me.  the かつお entry needs its own sense though, i think</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;三和土&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -21,0 +24,2 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -22,1 +27,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -24,0 +28,6 @@
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1208850"&gt;鰹&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -27,0 +37,2 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-09-09 13:20:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-12 12:46:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -50,0 +50,7 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;beating&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;flaming&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-12 12:48:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -54,0 +54,1 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;bashing&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-13 04:00:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>GG5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -54,0 +54,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;whipping&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;lashing&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-13 14:52:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_refs>http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%B0%B9%E3%81%AE%E3%82%BF%E3%82
%BF%E3%82%AD</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -26,0 +26,1 @@
+&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-15 07:07:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-05-05 13:42:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>literal bashing and idiomatic bashing</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -56,0 +57,7 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;beating&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;criticizing&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -58 +64,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;beating&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-05-06 23:59:22" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-12 02:42:11" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This entry is a bit of a mess - see the WWWJDIC display with all the restrictions, etc. I suggest we:
- split out 三和土 into its own entry. It shouldn't really be merged on the basis of sense #4. Kanji Haitani commented in 2007 that it was only occasionally written 叩き - I think that's best as a comment
- remove the "seared skipjack tuna" sense. It was added in 2010 without any reference. 叩き is a food preparation technique that is used on several types of fish as well as beef. It may be occasionally used as shorthand for one type of fish, but it's not in references.
- remove all the restrictions from the remaining senses.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1MDJ%BB%B0%CF%C2%C5%DA</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,3 +9,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;三和土&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -24,3 +20,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;
@@ -27,0 +22 @@
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;food;&lt;/field&gt;
@@ -31,9 +25,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1208850"&gt;鰹&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;seared skipjack tuna&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;敲き&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -47,8 +32,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 三和土 (gikun)&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;hard-packed dirt (clay, gravel, etc.) floor&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;concrete floor&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -60,2 +37,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;叩き&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagr&gt;タタキ&lt;/stagr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-12 03:31:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Refining sense 1 - Hosking has two senses.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5, Hosking (A Dictionary of Japanese Food)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -23 +23,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;mince (minced meat or fish)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;finely chopped fish or meat (sometimes seared first)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;mince&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-14 23:56:23" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Added a literal "hitting" sense.
The whipping sense refers to a punishment used in the Edo period.
As far as I'm aware, the "bashing; criticizing" sense is always a suffix.
Approving and reopening.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs, meikyo, gg5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -27,0 +28,15 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n-suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;hitting (e.g. a drum)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;striking&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;beating&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;person who strikes something&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n-suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;bashing&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;criticizing&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;attacking&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2839605"&gt;日本叩き&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -34 +49,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;whipping&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;hist;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;whipping (Edo-period punishment)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -36,7 +52 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;beating&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;criticizing&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;bashing&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;flaming&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;flogging&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-14 23:56:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-15 01:22:16" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Looks OK.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-08-15 02:08:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -35,0 +36 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2839605"&gt;日本叩き&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -42 +42,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2839605"&gt;日本叩き&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-03-21 02:27:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nicolas Maia</upd_name>
<upd_refs>https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20210322-1748458/ たたきの由来は、たたき台を略した言い方です。
https://news.allabout.co.jp/articles/o/76882/
https://sogyotecho.jp/qa/agreement-draft/</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -45,0 +46,9 @@
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1836930"&gt;たたき台&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;bus;&lt;/field&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;abbr;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;springboard for discussion&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;draft proposal&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;tentative plan&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-03-21 05:23:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -49 +49 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1836930"&gt;たたき台&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1836930"&gt;たたき台・2&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-03-21 09:52:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;tataki&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-03-22 03:45:23" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Please provide evidence that it's used enough in English to warrant being the leading gloss.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -23 +22,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;tataki&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>