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<k_ele>
<keb>流石</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>遉</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>有繋</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>さすが</reb>
<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>as one would expect</gloss>
<gloss>just as you'd expect (from)</gloss>
<gloss>just like (someone)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2140120">さすがに・2</xref>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<s_inf>usu. as 〜に</s_inf>
<gloss>still</gloss>
<gloss>all the same</gloss>
<gloss>after all</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<s_inf>as さすがの...も</s_inf>
<gloss>even ... (e.g. "even a genius")</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2015-02-17 00:49:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Curtis Naito</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%B5%81%E7%9F%B3-510701#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>遉</keb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-02-17 02:40:14" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-02-17 06:13:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Should we really also have entries for 流石に and 流石は? They seem rather unnecessary to me.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr (only mentions adv and-na)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -27 +25,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -28,0 +27 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -35 +33,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -36,0 +35 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-03-10 19:53:59" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>dunno. koj and daijr both have entries for さすがは and さすがに in addition to さすが</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-04-06 06:10:08" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Very uncommon.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,0 +11,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>有繋</keb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-04-13 20:04:15" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-11-30 19:36:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Frazer Robinson</upd_name>
<upd_detl>corrected notation</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -39 +39 @@
-<s_inf>as さすがの〜も</s_inf>
+<s_inf>as さすがの...も</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-01 01:13:44" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-02 16:15:16" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aligning.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
@@ -21,2 +21,0 @@
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -24,0 +24,2 @@
+<gloss>naturally</gloss>
+<gloss>indeed</gloss>
@@ -27 +27,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -29 +28,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -32,0 +32 @@
+<gloss>after all</gloss>
@@ -35 +34,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -37 +35,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-02 16:26:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>On second though, "naturally" and "indeed" are probably best reserved for さすがに.
Sense 2 is usually (if not always) さすがに. Daijs only has 〜に examples.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5
meikyo: 《「━に」「━の…も」の形で》評判や見かけから特別扱いできそうだが、やはりそうではないという気持ちを表す。</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -24,2 +24,2 @@
-<gloss>naturally</gloss>
-<gloss>indeed</gloss>
+<gloss>just as you'd expect (from)</gloss>
+<gloss>just like (someone)</gloss>
@@ -28,0 +29 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2140120">さすがに・2</xref>
@@ -29,0 +31 @@
+<s_inf>usu. as 〜に</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-02 19:30:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-03 12:30:35" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -40 +40 @@
-<gloss>even... (e.g. "even a genius...")</gloss>
+<gloss>even ... (e.g. "even a genius")</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-02 03:08:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
さすが 16026609
流石 2316179
遉 5135
有繋 204</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -13,0 +15 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-02 03:46:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-25 06:11:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I feel like [ateji] here is inconsistent with how we normally use the tag. As far as I can tell, there's no phonetic connection to these kanji.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Refs say the 流石 kanji form derives from kanbun: 枕流漱石（流れに枕し石に漱ぐ）.
Daijirin has a long note explaining how the word itself originated from a combination of the adverb さ, the verb suffix す, and the particle がに.
Several kokugos (daijirin, iwakoku, smk) refer to 流石 as "当て字" or "借字", which doesn't make any sense to me. Those references also have 流石 marked with their usual jukujikun symbols.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6 +5,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -18,0 +18 @@
+<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-25 10:43:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Quite a few references conflate ateji and gikun. Our ateji tag was added in 2009, based on some kokugos.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-26 23:59:49" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>当て字 in the broad sense of the word includes 熟字訓. Meikyo and Wiktionary have it as a second sense.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-27 02:12:22" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I see some refs which describe jukujikun as kun readings of established kanji compounds (from Chinese; e.g. 昨日・きのう, 今朝・けさ) as opposed to words which acquired novel kanji representations (流石・さすが, 一寸・ちょっと, 麦酒・ビール). They consider the latter group to be ateji.
I guess it's probably best to continue using the [ateji] tag only in the narrow sense. Definitely less confusing.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>