<entry id="2292301" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1840790</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>老獪</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>老かい</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ろうかい</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>cunning (acquired with age)</gloss>
<gloss>astute</gloss>
<gloss>crafty</gloss>
<gloss>sly</gloss>
<gloss>wily</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2020-09-25 10:25:32" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, wisdom</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,0 +15,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;wily&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sly&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-09-25 12:43:18" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-06 02:59:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>kokugos + gg5 mention accumulated experience/age</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having accumulated experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -14,0 +15,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;astute&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sly&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -16 +17,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;sly&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-06 05:01:04" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think that's implicit in the glosses.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +12,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having accumulated experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -15,0 +15 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-06 20:45:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>悪賢い has pretty the same glosses in JMdict, but kokugos make no mention of the accumulated experience
they do mention it for 老獪 because it's important to the definition (it also justifies the use of 老)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>sankoku, daijr/s, smk
gg5:
►老獪な男　an old [a cunning] fox; a sly old dog</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +13,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having accumulated experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;astute&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -14,2 +15,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;astute&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-07 00:19:33" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not sure reflecting the kanji meaning is necessary, but maybe this works.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5: 老獪さ craftiness; astuteness; old roguery.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having accumulated experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;(being an) old rogue&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-07 00:40:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>"rogue" seems to have various implications that "老獪" doesn't have and it is pretty uncommon.
i wouldn't say it's reflecting the kanji meaning, but the meaning is reflected by the kanji. kokugos don't mention experience at all for "悪賢い", but "経験を積んで" is always present to define "老獪" and i think the glosses should do the same here.
note how gg5 translates "老獪な男" to "an old [a cunning] fox; a sly old dog", not because the age itself is important but to denote how his craftiness is influenced by his experienced and this is inherent in "老獪"</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rogue
kokugos + gg5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,2 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;(being an) old rogue&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having acquired experience through age)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-27 03:59:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's a bit 直訳.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (having acquired experience through age)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cunning (acquired with age)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-21 16:48:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>penname01</upd_name>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 老獪　 │ 32,958 │ 96.2% │
│ 老かい │  1,296 │  3.8% │
╰─ーーー─┴────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,4 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;老かい&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-21 17:36:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>