<entry id="2291264" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1285390</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>合流</keb>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf27</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ごうりゅう</reb>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf27</re_pri>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&vs;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<gloss>confluence (of rivers)</gloss>
<gloss>flowing together</gloss>
<gloss>joining</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&vs;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<gloss>joining (of people, groups, parties, etc.)</gloss>
<gloss>union</gloss>
<gloss>linking up</gloss>
<gloss>merging (e.g. of traffic)</gloss>
<gloss>meeting (up)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2011-11-19 08:35:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nils Roland Barth</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Split into sections, add glosses for rivers and traffic</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,2 +18,8 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;confluence&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;union&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;confluence (of rivers)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;(traffic) merge&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vs;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;union (of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-11-23 03:51:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>adding some additional glosses from gg5, prog, nc.  removing "recombining" as AFAIK 合流 doesn't suggest that they were ever together before</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,1 +19,4 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;(traffic) merge&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;merge (of traffic)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;conflux&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;junction&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;joining&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -25,1 +28,1 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;union (of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;union (e.g. of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -27,2 +30,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;merge&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;recombining&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;merging&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;coming together&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-04-05 13:48:17" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>G n-grams 2380342</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -12,0 +14 @@
+&lt;re_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/re_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-07 01:40:38" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>meikyo</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19 +19 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vi;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -29 +29 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vi;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-05 22:29:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Came here to add clarity that this can apply to people(friends, etc.), saw some other things... (and created 合流点 as part of that)

I don't usually suggest this, but maybe one sense would be simpler for English speakers?  Note that *all* of the glosses in [2] can be used perfectly well in English for rivers.

If not, I've suggested a reorganization of the glosses to match the kokugos' split.

Sankoku has two senses. One is explicitly rivers. One is explicitly people. Neither covers metaphorical uses like "tech trends coming together", it's not clear that sankoku's "people" definition should cover armies joining forces, or why cars should be more like rivers than people (merging of traffic). Maybe cars are more of a "flow".  But this feels somewhat arbitrary.  daijs seems like a clearer split, [1] = rivers (etymological meaning), [2] = people, groups, and など, everything else...

I created the xref as one sense.  To keep this entry as two senses, it seems the xref should perhaps also be split in two.  The simplest split for me feels like "rivers" -&gt; confluence, and "everything else" -&gt; junction, meeting point, etc....  But again, all of the sense[2] glosses seem to work fine for rivers as well.

I'd rather put vehicular traffic in a 3rd sense than arbitrarily squeeze it into the "river" sense, just because cars "flow"(or whatever the justification might be, it's honestly not quite clear to me).
===

At minimum, 51% explicitly verbal. Not clear from the old glosses, which should probably have more gerunds.  Looking at the ngram numbers in the new proposal at the xref, it looks like we'd be better recommending the xref as a gloss for the noun "confluence".  Just giving the xref will also expose the word "confluence" in situations where that might be the right translation for 合流.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs is the same as sankoku.  1= literal rivers. 2 = everything else.
１ 二つ以上の川の流れが合わさって一つになること。「河口近くで—する」
２ 別々に行動していた人・集団・党派などが一つになること。「本隊に—する」

合流	2380190	  
合流し	899341	  verb
合流する	289060	  verb
合流点	84993	  
合流地点	45474	  
合流でき	43820	  verb

Frieren：
１０年前に旅に出た死乳と合流することだ
1. To meet my friend who embarked on a journey 10 years ago.
2. Two reunite with my friend who departed 10 years ago.

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%e5%90%88%e6%b5%81%e3%81%99%e3%82%8b
他動
join（川や道路などが～に）
join（人や集団などと）  &lt;---- people and groups, etc.
句動

～と合流する
join up with
句動
hook up with
単語帳
～の影にいる（人）と合流する
join someone in the shade of
単語帳
～の真ん中で合流する
meet in the center of
数人のグループに合流する
join a small group</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,5 +20,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;confluence (of rivers)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;merge (of traffic)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;conflux&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;junction&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;joining&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2860121"&gt;合流点&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;flowing together (of rivers)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -30 +27,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;union (e.g. of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;meeting up (of people)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;uniting (e.g. of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;merging (e.g. of traffic)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -32 +30,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;merging&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -33,0 +32 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;joining&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-02-06 20:13:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think this split is fine.
I don't think the x-ref is needed.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, daij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,2 +20,3 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2860121"&gt;合流点&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;flowing together (of rivers)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;confluence (of rivers)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;flowing together&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;joining&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -27,2 +28,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;meeting up (of people)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;uniting (e.g. of forces)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;joining (of people, groups, parties, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;union&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;linking up&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -30,3 +32 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;linking up&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;coming together&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;joining&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;meeting (up)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>