<entry id="2290700" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1397270</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>素人</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf09</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>しろうと</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf09</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>しろと</reb>
<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>しらびと</reb>
<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="ant" seq="1263430">玄人・1</xref>
<gloss>amateur</gloss>
<gloss>layman</gloss>
<gloss>ordinary person</gloss>
<gloss>novice</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1263430">玄人・2</xref>
<gloss>respectable woman (i.e. not a prostitute, hostess, geisha)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1768060">私娼</xref>
<misc>&arch;</misc>
<dial>&kyb;</dial>
<gloss>unlicensed prostitute</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2012-04-20 10:58:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_refs>daijs</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -21,0 +21,8 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;layman&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1165850"&gt;一般人&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1165850"&gt;一般人&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;non-celebrity&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;member of the general public&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-04-20 11:08:41" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_refs>daijs</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -30,0 +30,7 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1768060"&gt;私娼&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;arch;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;dial&gt;&amp;kyb;&lt;/dial&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;unlicensed prostitute&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-04-20 23:04:03" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-15 16:42:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Francis</upd_name>
<upd_detl>I have not changed the above, but I am suggesting a cross-link with the following [which is described as being the "ant" to the above], i.e., if the flow goes one way, then the flow goes both ways:-

玄人(P); 黒人 【くろうと(P); くろと】 (n,adj-no) (1) (ant: 素人・しろうと .1) expert; professional; master; (2) woman in the nightlife business; demimondaine; geisha and prostitutes; (P)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>See below.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-17 00:18:05" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +19,1 @@
+&lt;xref type="ant" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・くろうと・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-16 03:42:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>sense 2 was just part of sense 1.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj, daij, gg5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,0 +16,6 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;しろと&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;しらびと&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -21,0 +27,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;layman&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;ordinary person&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -22,1 +30,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;layman&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -26,3 +33,2 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1165850"&gt;一般人&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;non-celebrity&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;member of the general public&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・くろうと・2&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;respectable woman (not a prostitute, hostess, geisha, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-16 04:37:35" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-02-28 21:14:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>精選版 日本国語大辞典</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;白人&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;oK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -17,0 +22 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
@@ -20,0 +26,5 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;しらひと&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
@@ -24 +33,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -34 +43 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;respectable woman (not a prostitute, hostess, geisha, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;respectable woman (i.e. not a prostitute, hostess, geisha)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-03-01 06:10:26" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Messy, but the kokugos agree that it's valid.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Koj, Daijr</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-29 01:23:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Doesn't look like 白人 belongs here.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>As far as the readings go, I only see an overlap between 素人 and 白人 in the kokugos (koj &amp; nikk only) for しらひと.

However, the definitions for しらひと【白人】 and しらひと【素人】 are not the same in those dictionaries. The former ("white skinned person; person with vitiligo; albino") is not in this entry.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,4 +8,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;白人&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;oK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-29 01:46:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-29 06:28:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>白人 is mostly historical but I think it should stay, it helps explain the oigin and reading.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs 素人
《「しろひと（白人）」の音変化》

I can find some "recent" examples of 白人/しろうと (ruby) on google books and ndl, e.g.  1901, 1904 

nikk 白人　素人 entry:
② (「白人(しろうと)」の音読み)
(イ) 物事に熟達していない人。また、それを職業・専門にしていない人。

nikk's 玄人 entry has a 1711 example where 素人 is spelled 白人

wiktionary has the kanji as "稀"

和漢雅俗いろは辭典 (1901) lists it</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -30 +30 @@
-&lt;xref type="ant" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・くろうと・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="ant" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-31 22:13:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think it's needed. Is it really helpful to know that the the word comes from しろひと/白人?
Only koj has しらひと. I think it can be dropped.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -24,4 +23,0 @@
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;しらひと&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -38 +34 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・くろうと・2&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1263430"&gt;玄人・2&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-31 23:04:27" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>