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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
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<k_ele>
<keb>幟</keb>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf37</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>昇り</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>のぼり</reb>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf37</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ノボリ</reb>
<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>nobori</gloss>
<gloss g_type="expl">long, narrow banner attached to a pole on one side and a horizontal rod along the top</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>Boys' Day nobori</gloss>
<gloss>carp streamer</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2022-05-28 17:13:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not just any type of banner/flag.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobori</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,3 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>flag</gloss>
-<gloss>banner</gloss>
-<gloss>streamer</gloss>
+<gloss>nobori</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">long, narrow banner attached to a pole on one side and a horizontal rod along the top</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-05-28 22:37:08" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-05-29 11:15:38" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>幟 128145
のぼり 1555180
幟を立て 2433
のぼりを立て 5117</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-05-31 15:31:20" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Opencooper</upd_name>
<upd_detl>The JEs all include "〈吹き流し〉 streamer".</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>meikyo; daijs</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,0 +19,6 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>Boys' Day nobori</gloss>
+<gloss>carp streamer</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-01 07:44:03" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-27 23:42:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>のぼりポール 15101 99.7%
幟ポール 43 0.3%
昇りポール 0 0.0%
We include 昇り in 昇り旗 so it should prob be here too?</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,2 +6,5 @@
-<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
-<ke_pri>nf37</ke_pri>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>昇り</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-27 23:43:57" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Looking atthe other ngrams</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6 +5,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-27 23:52:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-28 00:00:53" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Putting the tags back.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,2 @@
+<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>nf37</ke_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-28 02:07:53" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Since a couple of years ago, we remove freq tags from the kanji when the kanji is rK or at least (relatively) not very common. I think it's borderline rK here, so the tags should go.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-28 02:55:26" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't recall seeing priority tags removed from borderline-rare kanji forms. In any case, this one doesn't seem to be borderline.
There's already a [uk] tag to indicate that のぼり is more common.
There are some technical app-dev reasons why I'd rather have the priority tags in both fields in this situation. It would be a different story if we were adding an [rK] tag to 幟.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ のぼりを立て │ 5,117 │ 67.8% │
│ 幟を立て │ 2,433 │ 32.2% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりが立っ │ 5,100 │ 60.9% │
│ 幟が立っ │ 3,269 │ 39.1% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりが目印 │ 4,695 │ 91.8% │
│ 幟が目印 │ 418 │ 8.2% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを見 │ 3,800 │ 88.3% │
│ 幟を見 │ 502 │ 11.7% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを持っ │ 2,331 │ 72.8% │
│ 幟を持っ │ 872 │ 27.2% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを掲げ │ 1,496 │ 74.5% │
│ 幟を掲げ │ 512 │ 25.5% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-28 07:09:57" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Well, I've done it several times after getting an OK from Jim, so there will already be several entries where the kanji form doesn't have the same tags as the hiragana. I think having frequency tags on little used kanji forms makes things for users because the obvious implication is that the kanji is very common and worth prioritizing when the reality is, like here, that it's very sparsely used.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.monotaro.com/s/?c=&q=%E3%81%AE%E3%81%BC%E3%82%8A 幟 40 hits
more than half of the products actually use のぼり/ノボリ in the title, several don't even feature it in the description (i.e. it's an "sK" essentially)
https://www.monotaro.com/s/?c=&q=%E3%81%AE%E3%81%BC%E3%82%8A のぼり 1309 hits</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-28 10:46:30" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I used to need the tags on both forms to get the (P) in EDICT, but that's no longer the case. The "newsX" was basically a ranking based on a 20yo newspaper analysis. The "news2" ones didn't even generate a (P). No need to remove them, I guess.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-03 14:33:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>penname01</upd_name>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬────────╮
│ ノボリ │ 48,711 │
╰─ーーー─┴────────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,0 +17,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ノボリ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-01-03 17:11:25" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not an incredibly common form</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>〈のぼり／幟／ノボリ〉〈を立て／が立っ／が目印／を見／を持っ／を掲げ〉
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ のぼりを立て │ 5,117 │ 59.7% │
│ 幟を立て │ 2,433 │ 28.4% │
│ ノボリを立て │ 1,016 │ 11.9% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりが立っ │ 5,100 │ 50.3% │
│ 幟が立っ │ 3,269 │ 32.2% │
│ ノボリが立っ │ 1,772 │ 17.5% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりが目印 │ 4,695 │ 81.5% │
│ 幟が目印 │ 418 │ 7.3% │
│ ノボリが目印 │ 650 │ 11.3% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを見 │ 3,800 │ 78.3% │
│ 幟を見 │ 502 │ 10.3% │
│ ノボリを見 │ 553 │ 11.4% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを持っ │ 2,331 │ 62.3% │
│ 幟を持っ │ 872 │ 23.3% │
│ ノボリを持っ │ 541 │ 14.4% │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────┼───────┤
│ のぼりを掲げ │ 1,496 │ 63.5% │
│ 幟を掲げ │ 512 │ 21.7% │
│ ノボリを掲げ │ 348 │ 14.8% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -20 +20 @@
-<re_nokanji/>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>