<entry id="2286709" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1381390</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>青い</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf25</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>蒼い</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>碧い</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>あおい</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf25</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<gloss>blue</gloss>
<gloss>azure</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<s_inf>mostly archaic or in ref. to fruits, vegetables and traffic lights</s_inf>
<gloss>green</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<stagk>青い</stagk>
<stagk>蒼い</stagk>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<gloss>pale (facial color)</gloss>
<gloss>gray</gloss>
<gloss>grey</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<stagk>青い</stagk>
<stagk>蒼い</stagk>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<gloss>unripe</gloss>
<gloss>inexperienced</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2015-10-18 18:47:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I've seen 蒼い a couple of times.
I don't think it is obsolete.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>KM ngrams:
青い	130319
蒼い	12731
碧い	1163</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;oK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-10-18 23:03:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-01-28 08:06:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Probably too wordy but am I wrong to think a usage note 
might be useful here?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -24,0 +25 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;signifies the color green in a few cases such as when referring to traffic lights and vegetables; otherwise means blue&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -25,0 +27 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;azure&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-01-31 05:39:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i am certain that i have submitted a note like this for this entry in the past.  suggest removing azure since it is not mentioned in the note.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-01-31 06:41:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The 95 Tatoeba sentences are overwhelmingly sense 1 and all but 2 refer to "blue". I feel the long note about green skews the balance. Possibly something shorter and only on the "green" gloss? ("azure" is in GG5 and 中辞典.)
Splitting "green" into its own sense is another possible approach.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -25 +24,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;signifies the color green in a few cases such as when referring to traffic lights and vegetables; otherwise means blue&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -28 +27 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;green&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;green (usu. only traffic signals and plants)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-02-13 04:45:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think splitting is probably best - our 青 
entry is already split this way. Prog spkits 
too.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>I talked about this with a native speaker 
(Osakan in her 30's) who had the interesting 
perspective that she'd never use あおい to mean 
green, only あお. "青い信号" over "青信号” sounds 
to her as if the entire device/box itself is 
blue (and not green). She did accept "信号が青い
うちに" as natural-sounding though, but not 信号
が青い by itself. 

This is confirmed by another native speaker 
here:

http://lang-
8.com/1102982/journals/19627289332636912439867
2107012031651514
"「信号が青の時、道を渡ってもいいです。」の方が自然で
す、
「信号が青いとき」だと信号全体が青くなったかのような印象
を受けます。"

Chujiten has 青いりんご but to to my informant, 
this sounded unnatural (again, she preferred 青
りんご)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,3 +5,0 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;news2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;nf25&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -19,3 +15,0 @@
-&lt;re_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;news2&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;nf25&lt;/re_pri&gt;
@@ -27 +21,5 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;green (usu. only traffic signals and plants)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;mostly arch. or in ref. to fruits, vegetables and traffic lights, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;green&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -32,0 +31 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;in ref. to facial colour&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -33,0 +33,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;gray&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;grey&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-02-13 04:46:51" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>(not sure why the news etc. tags disappeared 
just now - swear I didn't touch them)</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-02-13 10:47:16" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;news2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;nf25&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -15,0 +19,3 @@
+&lt;re_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
+&lt;re_pri&gt;news2&lt;/re_pri&gt;
+&lt;re_pri&gt;nf25&lt;/re_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-03 09:35:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Opencooper</upd_name>
<upd_detl>「碧い」 is in meikyo and shinmeikai.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>G n-grams:

青い	5103967
蒼い	481269
碧い	105474</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;oK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-21 06:44:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-28 08:42:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The "arch." abbreviation looks like it may be difficult to understand.
I think "etc." is confusing when used with lists of dissimilar things.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -29 +29 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;mostly arch. or in ref. to fruits, vegetables and traffic lights, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;mostly archaic or in ref. to fruits, vegetables and traffic lights&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-28 13:19:11" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I thought "etc." did an OK job of conveying there might be other cases where it's used to mean green?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -36,2 +36 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;in ref. to facial colour&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;pale&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;pale (facial color)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-28 14:03:57" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>penname01</upd_name>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 青い │ 5,103,967 │ 89.7% │
│ 蒼い │   481,269 │  8.5% │
│ 碧い │   105,474 │  1.9% │
╰─ーー─┴───────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-28 20:41:00" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>