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<entry id="2285698" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1320650</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>質</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>たち</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>nature (of a person)</gloss>
<gloss>disposition</gloss>
<gloss>temperament</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>nature (of something)</gloss>
<gloss>character</gloss>
<gloss>kind</gloss>
<gloss>sort</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2018-11-01 03:38:09" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Making it clearer how 質/たち and 質/しつ differ.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12,3 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;nature (of person)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;disposition&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;temperament&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -13 +15,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;nature (of person)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-01 12:30:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not just people.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, daij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;nature (of person)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;nature (of a person)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -15 +15,7 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;quality&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;nature (of something)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;character&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;kind&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sort&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-14 06:21:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Proposing [uk]. Moving the 性質/たち suggestion from 1375390. We could have a note saying たち is a gikun reading of 性質, but I'd be happy just to add it as a search-only form.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>In 1375390: Stephen wrote: "Sankoku 8e added 性質 as a jukujikun form for たち【質】. I don't see it in other refs."
GG5, etc. use kana for all examples of たち. and our 3 example sentences use kana too.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,4 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;性質&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -11,0 +16 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -17,0 +23 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-14 07:54:55" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>「性質(たち)が悪い」 is pretty common in written media. I've seen it before and I bet this edit originally came to us because the anonymous contributor came across it.

I'm not a fan of using the [sK] tag for jukujikun/gikun forms. It's not one of the types mentioned in the editorial policy.
I think it would be better to drop 性質 here entirely and add a 「性質が悪い」 form to the entry 2259540 (タチが悪い) instead. I think that might be enough to handle it.

[uk] seems fine to me. The referenced chiebukuro post also says 『相手に「たち」と伝えたければ、仮名書きが一般的です。』</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q112424686
&gt; 「性質悪い」と書いて、「タチわるい」と読めますか?
&gt; …「性質(たち)」は、昔使われていた熟字訓です。一般に使う人がいるかどうかは分かりませんが、小説ではよく使われますね。

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ タチが悪い │  69,714 │ 25.5% │
│ たちが悪い │  63,549 │ 23.3% │
│ 質が悪い  │ 110,991 │ 40.6% │
│ 性質が悪い │  29,014 │ 10.6% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-12-14 10:49:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,4 +5,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;性質&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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