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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2094880</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>中華そば</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>中華蕎麦</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ちゅうかそば</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<field>&food;</field>
<gloss>Chinese noodles (esp. ramen)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2006-08-08 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-31 04:01:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Merging in submission 2640180.
Removed the "oK" - I don't think it's valid.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5, Daijirin</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +5,3 @@
+<keb>中華そば</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -6,1 +9,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
@@ -13,0 +15,1 @@
+<gloss>Chinese buckwheat noodles</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-31 06:05:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-16 08:05:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>richwarm</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Richard Warmington</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>- Is 中華そば really soba (buckwheat noodles), or is it in fact just ramen?
- It seems that at least the "ramen" sense should be moved to the start of
the definition.
- I think it's another example (like やきそば) where "soba" refers to noodles,
*not* specifically buckwheat noodles.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Searching Wikipedia for 中華そば, you end up at the Wikipedia article on ラーメン:
ラーメン(中華そばから転送)
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E3%81%9D%E3%81%B0
.
That article contains 17 instances of the term 中華そば.
e.g. ラーメンは、茹でた中華麺と汁(スープ)と具からなる日本の料理。漢字表記は拉麺または老麺・柳麺。別
名は中華そばおよび支那そば・南京そばなど。
.
- 明鏡 says 中華風の麺類。特に、ラーメン。
- Shogakukan Progessive says simply "Chinese noodles"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,2 +15,0 @@
-<gloss>Chinese buckwheat noodles</gloss>
-<gloss>Chinese soba</gloss>
@@ -18,0 +16,1 @@
+<gloss>Chinese noodles</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-16 08:12:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>richwarm</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Richard Warmington</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>The Google images don't seem to have the distinctive darker
colour of buckwheat noodles.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-16 09:06:52" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>yes, i think this was one of mine and that was intended as a literal translation. not buckwheat</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj, daij, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,2 +15,1 @@
-<gloss>ramen</gloss>
-<gloss>Chinese noodles</gloss>
+<gloss>Chinese noodles (esp. ramen)</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-25 06:50:09" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 中華そば │ 549,883 │ 98.0% │
│ 中華蕎麦 │ 10,248 │ 1.8% │ - rK
│ ちゅうかそば │ 1,220 │ 0.2% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<field>&food;</field></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>